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 No.1821911[Reply]

Picture this
>The year is 2056
>It's been three decades since the third great war
>You go to work at your shitty minimum wage Amazon warehouse job secured with your honors degrees in Computer Science and Software Engineering
>You come home to your by-now hideous 40 something nagging boywife
>He barely even resembles the twink he once was even with his BezosCorp estrogen booster pack dependency
>You put your Nutro-Goyslop in the microwave and wait for the hard, gray block of inexplicable foodstuff to turn soft and mushy for your consumption
>You get a message from your stalinist/trotskyite/leftcom/anarcho party telling you that you missed your flyer distribution quota for this quarter and are being laid off for not defending the organization from its latest rounds of sexual misconduct allegations on the internet
>Wars, resource shortages and mass-scale exploitation on a stage never before seen has caused an influx of cheap labor funneled into conditions of abject ghettoism that invariably dissipated into crime with no infrastructure to support it
>Right wingers radicalized by MuskNet and developmentally disabled Kick streamers see this is as proof for their conspiracy theories and are launching lone wolf pogroms almost once a week, throwing the country deeper into despair, division and chaos
>The Unions have all but sided with the bourgeoisie as strikes continue to be sporadic, isolated and self-defeating
>You're stabbed to death for your shitcoin outside of your crate home as you try to take a hit from your CBD infused ElfBar to calm the nerves

Alright I'm being hyperbolic but you get the point. It's the era of capitalist decadence and only getting worse from now. Endearingly, what's the next step of your master plan, you alienated freak?
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 No.1821993

>>1821987
>Because they can't be you lower lifeform, they work within the bounds of bourgeois law! What did you think would happen?
>Actually helps that proletariat to prove to the backward masses why such parliaments deserve to be done away with; it facilitates their successful dissolution, and helps to make bourgeois parliamentarianism “politically obsolete

 No.1821994

I love my Nutro-Goyslop and nagging boywife

 No.1821997

>>1821986
Retard in general.

>can literally define most successful revolutionary movement in history before they start making big gains

Not at all. Read the history of the first and second internationales, moron.

>they literally got shot for engaging in regular "bourgeois parliamentarianism" ofc they went underground, this is not the situation in the imperial core

Still falling for the meme

>dismissing all communist parties making gains in popular consciousness as "opportunists" with 0 argument beside "they engage in electoralism"

My dismissal is based on their failure. Stop being an idiot.

>real gain for the people are worthless if theyre not immediately translated into the dotp

Yes. Capitalism still maintains its foothold. If you like poverty alleviation so much, go praise western liberal democracies for their gains in this matter. You aren't a communist anyways.

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>>1821995
>>1821997
>Great man derangement syndrome. Stalin was already collaborating with the Western imperialist bourgeoisie long before he died, backing the state of Israel, selling oil to the Germans etc. This isn't a problem of ideology, it's the fact that these "communist" parties are theoretically bankrupt and opportunistic, willing to side and work with the bourgeoisie who ruthlessly exploit the concessions they're given.
Thats the only mistake he did, supporting israel. Stalin never collaborated with the western bourgeoise first at all, the soviet socialist system literally crushed fascism on its cradle, spreading the revolution to the most backward places of eastern europe is a thing that no other ideology did than marxism-leninism.
Churchill and other imperialists rats despised stalin and wanted the war to continue.
>You have literally zero evidence for the workers movement being tied to the petty electoral victory of bourgeois "communist" politicians, besides victories based on incomplete promises.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Hungarian_parliamentary_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Polish_parliamentary_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_Czechoslovak_parliamentary_election

 No.1822130

What kind of schizophernic nonsense is this?



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 No.1821492[Reply]

Thousands in Chile walk out on general strike
There were huge demonstrations in Santiago, Valparaiso, Concepcion, Antofagasta and Ovalle, while a range of other protest actions took place in Atacama, Coquimbo, Rancagua, Temuco, Punta Arenas, Vina del Mar and many other towns. The strikers’ demands included wage increases, improved housing, stronger collective bargaining rights, better pensions, free education and quality healthcare. They also called for improvements in support for working families and the approval of a tax reform to fund greater social protections.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/thousands-chile-walk-out-general-strike

Colombia capital Bogota to ration water as reservoirs dry
Colombia's capital Bogota will start rationing water this week to alleviate droughts wrought by the El Nino weather pattern, which has exacerbated the Andean country's dry season and caused reservoir levels to fall, Mayor Carlos Galan said on Monday.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/colombia-capital-bogota-ration-water-reservoirs-dry-2024-04-08/

Brazil court says government must compensate victims of stray bullets in police raids
The ruling means that the state is now civilly liable for deaths or injuries resulting from either police or armed forces operations, even in cases where the forensics reports are inconclusive. The country’s top court was ruling in a case stemming from the killing of a man by a stray bullet in 2015 during an army action in Rio de Janeiro’s impoverished Mare neighborhood.
https://apnews.com/article/brazil-stray-bullets-court-decision-725cac168ff5d43db93bf9cf311089cf

Communist Party’s Kokuta demands cancellation of Japan-Israel EPA talks
A member of the Japanese Communist Party has called for the ruling Liberal Democratic Party to scrap negotiations on an economic partnership agreement (EPA) with Israel, saying such an agreement could be seen as condoning Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.1821714

>>1821657
that's literally the name of his party u retard

 No.1821716

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>>1821651
>Brazil becoming an undemocratic, red fash, tankie state before our very eyes
Don't threaten me with a good time

 No.1822021

>>1821492
>general strike
fuck yeah, good luck to chileans comrades, hope they end up hanging that fuck milei

>Gulf states warn US not to launch strikes on Iran from their territory or airspace

this is exactly why israel is so valuable to the empire

>Prominent surgeon says he was denied entry to Germany for a pro-Palestinian conference

what is it with germans and love for genocides

>Ex-US ambassador sentenced to 15 years in prison for serving as secret agent for Cuba

>73
gonna die in prison ? sad he got caught.
>Rocha incriminated himself in a series of secretly recorded conversations with an undercover agent posing as a Cuban intelligence operative.
>The agent initially reached out to Rocha on WhatsApp, calling himself “Miguel” and saying he had a message “from your friends in Havana”.
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 No.1822046

>>1822021
Milei is from Argentina, not Chile. Common misconception



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 No.1821829[Reply]

Why did nobody tell me about the Marxist episode in Star Trek?
>exploitation
>union
>strike
>anti-scabbing
>Marx quote
I uploaded it here, available for 7 days: https://we.tl/t-y43zW2cM4B
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 No.1821934

Here's the Marx quote if anyone is interested.

 No.1822006

>>1821934
based comrade Rom refusing bribes from his brother-boss

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 No.1822015

>it's the 99th "i made a /hobby/ thread in /leftypol/" in the past couple of days

Weird trolling technique?

 No.1822157

Moved to >>>/hobby/41281.



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 No.1821852[Reply]

A genocide is being broadcast to mainstream media and people are getting poorer every year in the first world but there is still no class solidarity in sight. The focus is still on culture wars. How are we supposed to deal with this? How can we stay optimistic despite the odds being stacked against the interests of the working class?

 No.1821856

by voting for the correct animal in the stickied Siberia thread



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 No.1819604[Reply]

capitalism and ai working together is going to lead to a dystopia. What can leftists do to try and fight back against this? The answers are probably obvious but I just wanted to make a new thread.
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 No.1821234

I'm scared AI will ruin my life and they'll frame me to come after my microwave and last 6 packs of ramen

 No.1821235

>>1820377
>cheer for the other bourgeois country!
Epic leftoid moment.

 No.1821475

>>1820395
>Maybe the data is useless now for current AI models but this will not be the case in five or ten or twenty years.
How could social media data from twenty years ago possibly be useful?

 No.1821715

mods need to make a cycling "AI bullshit general" for discussing AI so we don't get thread after thread after thread

 No.1821749

>>1820391
>Eliezer Yudkowsky
<did not attend high school or college.[22]
This guy is pure reddit autism



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 No.1821278[Reply]

To socialism
I'm promoting a theory people here don't know of, it was promoted by a heterodox Marxist from the early 20th Century, named Karl Kautsky
Basically, the most viable path to communism is for western liberal democratic institutions to spread throughout the world, for western financial institutions to unite the world under a single transactional system, and then, push as hard as we can for reforms
Once the bourgeoisie realizes that imperialism and capitalism and fossil fuel extraction is literally more expensive than internationalism, socialism, and autonomous energy infrastructure, the capitalists will realize there is no stable foundation to their economic system and politicians will realize upholding capitalism is pointless and that war is unwinnable, at which point we use the democratic mechanisms gained from the example of western democratic governance spread throughout the entire world to simply vote collectively on a global scale to end capitalism and fossil hegemony, global NATO will become a reality and with the world under one banner imperialism will dissolve since empires only make sense with an exterior to itself

Reject tradition, embrace modernity
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 No.1821662

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Meanwhile, in the eyes of many countries, NATO is like this:
同时许多国家眼里的北约是这样的:

 No.1821718

>>1821644
Nah, it's an oligarchy as I stated from the start. And you clearly just want to waste people's time with le epic trole.

 No.1821719

>>1821658
You'd think after reading marxist theory people would realize it's silly to ascribe some transhistorical function to any element of society. They behave one way under some circumstances, another way under others.

 No.1821721

>>1821662
Hey Louis i accidentally become a demon sovereign

 No.1821722

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.t



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 No.1811652[Reply]

I've been rereading Lenin's What is to be done, Where to start and Letter to a comrade and it got me thinking. How many existing socialist organizations actually try applying the rational organizational kernel cleaned from autocratic circumstances Lenin posits in the texts? By that I mean: how many organizations actually try establishing a unified organ whose sole purpose is to connect all these disperse organizations and fights?

Setting up a server whose only purpose is to host an email service which informs everyone of existing sturggles and give a clear, broad picture of the movement? It is no secret that most leftist organizations are sects - kruzhoks. Even if it comes to cops busting this set up, you just need a cheap PC to set up another.

Imagine getting a weekly update what is happening in your country when it comes to leftist sturggles from people actually struggling. Imagine the theoretical and tactical texts suited from local conditions that could develop from this broad and encompassing picture of the struggle.

Why hasn't this been done?
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 No.1812206

https://progressive.international/wire

Take a look at monthly briefings by the progressive international, you can find out what is happening in left movements around the world

 No.1812210

https://thetricontinental.org/newsletter

the tricontinental institute for social research, publishes a weekly newsletter on many struggles going around the world, this was founded by Vijay Prashad, a great marxist think tank.

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>>1811652
>Setting up a server whose only purpose is to host an email service which informs everyone of existing sturggles and give a clear, broad picture of the movement?
So, what, exactly?
Like
>Mail server
>Give keys to trusted orgs to be able to post their weekly shit with a geolocation
>Mail the server with one or a few geolocations and a radius from which you want updates
>Weekly mail collection
?
This is rather simple to do, you just need a way to do some sort of moderation.

 No.1812292

>>1812287
(Like, on the technical end, its piss fucking easy to implement a simple info forwarding mail list. The hard part is actually making it qualatively and preventing it from becoming useless by being flooded with useless spam from retarded cults or rogue individuals. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Iskra was more than just a pass-through means for other peoples articles and information)

 No.1821599

https://erikhoudini.com/

5k unique people see my site weekly, some weeks are higher. I accept submissions.



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 No.1817518[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Since Nicaragua is in the news, I have glanced over their ruling party and I simply don't comprehend it. It simply does not make any sense.

What are your thoughts on it?
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 No.1820586

>>1817748
>When you become anti-revisionist
uygha what the fuck does that have to do with it? Even socdems are aware of it.

 No.1821010

>>1820289
>No really, how did you find this website?
You are the monarchist shilling for the Chinese emperors policy of outlawing shit to then legalize it incrementally to control the market while believing that the moralism is true because some bureaucrat didn't wrote a letter that nobody received.

 No.1821013

>>1820322
>That's why they invoked moral reasoning to justified their destruction of the Opium trade. Because it's an important part of humanity.
Hundred years prior they did exactly that. And then allowed it again, receiving paybacks from those who were granted the privileges.

Think about it:
If your country had outlawed unions with a excuse then allowed it again under government control, and then some time later brought up the same excuse to outlaw unions again… Like do you see what's happening there?

Watch the over regulation then leniency then over regulation then leniency in e.g. vaping. Every repetition of the cycle increases the power of the state and the establishment. After all is said and done you will see the industry be controlled by the same-old-same-old conglomerates and proxies of billionaire investment firms.

 No.1821536

>>1821010
>the monarchist shilling for the Chinese emperors policy of outlawing shit to then legalize it incrementally to control the market
By the same reasoning you are a monarchist shilling for the English Queen's policy of controlling Chinese opium markets.
The main issue was national sovereignty not the specific government type, policy decisions or moral justifications.
>>1821013
>Hundred years prior they did exactly that.
So what? At least it was the Chinese government deciding it's own policies for it's own people even if it wasn't perfect it's still better than the English empire deciding.
>Every repetition of the cycle increases the power of the state and the establishment.
Ok, and? Maybe people should be limited in how they consume addictive and cancerous substances like tobacco or opium. I think it's perfectly reasonable to restrict minors from consuming alcohol and tobacco for example. Maybe we shouldn't let markets completely determine what people consume or why.
>After all is said and done you will see the industry be controlled by the same-old-same-old conglomerates and proxies of billionaire investment firms.
The whole point of socialism is to let workers control industries and get rid of conglomerates and billionaires. One day the workers will be directly making those decisions and they will need to use moral reasoning and judgement

You are right that specific moral justifications are very often a ploy for different political actors. Taking the moral justifications at face value doesn't explain the complexity of historical wars.
However you can still agree with those moral justifications despite it not being to only factor at play.

>the industry be controlled by the same-old-same-old conglomerates and proxies of billionaire investment firms.

 No.1821576

>>1821536
>By the same reasoning you are a monarchist shilling for the English Queen's policy of controlling Chinese opium markets.
They wanted to make money and justified it by being a benevolent provider of an important medicine.
That's the same level of "we are so good" moralism as was the moralism Chinese emperor.
I'm not shilling either. This sub conversation started because I was simply explaining to some guy that opium wasn't regarding as an evil drug in 1840 in the zeitgeist.

>So what? At least it was the Chinese government deciding it's own policies for it's own people even if it wasn't perfect it's still better than the English empire deciding.

How is that even an argument unless you think from a racist perspective instead of a global one.
From a pure Marxist view the British Empire was historically ahead of the Chinese empire (Capitalism, Constitutionalism and ProtoSocdem vs. Monarchy/Feudalism)
If you think that the various people should govern themselves despite being on a less progressive level in socio-historic terms, then you would de-legitimize the global socialist revolution.

>One day the workers will be directly making those decisions and they will need to use moral reasoning and judgement

I prefer the workers be educated by a truthful ideology that came from a well informed vanguard party. It's sad how misinformed some people here are when it comes to history.



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 No.1821471[Reply]

>Listen to sabashit song about the failed siege of Gallipoli where the Turks pushed out the Allied invaders
>song be like: "boohoo there's no victory, no goal, only sadness from westoids who lost their sons"

In comparison songs about the siege of Vienna and the six day war fully glorifies the Poles and zionists and portrait the other side as subhuman filth

Any other shit bands that are blatantly White supremacist and imperialist propagandists?

 No.1821472

>>1821471
Music Board.
Siberia.
Retard.

 No.1821485

Moved to >>>/music/11647.



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 No.1798029[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Under a popular front for issues such as drug decriminalization / legalization, opposing corporate interests, opposing bad government policies, antifascist demonstrations and many other single-issue politics - is marching alongside liberals viable?

A prime example of such a case would be the 1999 Seattle WTO protests. And the point of it is often not to endorse liberal reformism or even more pointless voting - but to be used as a means of spreading propaganda and solidarity among the working class. More recent examples would be the 2023 French pension reform protests, the Framers' protests in all of Europe, the 2021 Brazilian protests and thousands upon thousands more.

A leftcom Bordigist for example would oppose such activities as antifascism in general, because of these features of influencing the broader masses (including liberals) which are dubbed as class-collaboration and denounced.

It ultimately also becomes a debate of big-tent organizing and secular puritanism.

I also made this thread to mention the upcoming protest in Bulgaria - Sofia called 'Use is not Under the influence of' (Протест - "Употреба" не е "въздействие") which seeks to protest against the unjust laws that have come through the infamous american so called War on Drugs. The bulgarian people have been getting arrested and facing prison time for up to 8 years for possesing one joint. The protest against such laws however is mostly driven by liberals. Although I have heard that some Anarchists from the organizations of FAB (Federation of Anarchists in Bulgaria) & The Bulgarian Prisoners' Association will also likely be attending. The anarchist faction does not attend hoping to change things through voting or reforms, but rather seeks to spread awareness about the sort of police brutality that is enacted onto victimless crimes.

Is all of it worth it? Has it yielded any results, historically speaking?
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 No.1810703

Marching with liberals is more than viable, it's a radicalizing opportunity. Get them into situations which expose them to police oppression. Get them to talk with socialists in a crowd,talk with unionists flying flags, and to see fliers for more intense talks and actions.
A protest is a platform, not a strategy in and of itself like a liberal may think. Use it or don't bother.

 No.1821334

>>1798029
The bulgarian anarchists (in peculiar the Federation of Anarcho-Communists in Bulgaria) have announced on their communiques that they will not be attending the demonstration.

This is a translated version of their message:
We are an anarcho-communist group. Our focus is class struggle first, authoritarianism second. The reasons for the protest can only answer to the second point. But we do not consider the demands for reform in the current repressive system to be adequate. If the cause is worth it, we would support a protest that is reformist, if for no other reason than to draw public attention to the problem.
But we cannot support this protest!
Liberals are our class enemy. We consider it inappropriate to legitimize our enemy in the eyes of the people or to present ourselves to him.
Unless the numbers of your groups are significantly larger than ours, it seems to us that we do not have the resources to take over the protest and replace liberal demands and rhetoric with anti-capitalist and anti-system ones.
Taking into account the low chance of a positive change in the situation and the unpreparedness of the participating organizations. Either through negative PR from the mainstream media or the subsequent "untying" of the hands of repressive authorities for official prosecutions.
We consider the event to be high risk with a low degree of importance and unfortunately we will decline your proposal.
We are ready to cooperate on other topics. Especially problems affecting the struggles of working people and large groups of people. Unfortunately, our forces are few and we cannot waste them on petty causes. -FACB (Federation of Anarcho-Communists in Bulgaria)

 No.1821345

No

 No.1821385

>>1798182
>Personally I disagree.
its not a matter of personal preferences
>Drugs are a cope
we dont want a society of cope. the use and abuse of drugs speaks about something else and is not just a matter of leisure
if anything, leisure under socialism shouldnt consist of drug usage

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>>1821385
NTA
>its not a matter of personal preferences
Correct.
>Drugs are a cope
>we dont want a society of cope
>leisure under socialism shouldnt consist of drug usage
WRONG. Drugs are the only way to reach true dialectical enlightenment and class consciousness, anyone not using drugs should be punished by DEATH BY BEATINGS.
Do not forget, Lenin was a mushroom.



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