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 No.1811024[Reply]

What is the most right*id, racist/xenophobic and generally chauvinistic region of your country? Here it's V*nice

On the other hand, the most left-leaning region is my own (Tuscany), Tuscany is even called "La Rossa" (the red one) by right*ids from other regions as a
means to offend us but we actually took the nickname with pride.
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 No.1811499

>>1811024
> the most left-leaning region is my own (Tuscany), Tuscany is even called "La Rossa"
*angry Romagna noises*

 No.1811502

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>>1811206
FUCK YOUUUU I LOVE ZAIA, I LOVE ZAIA I WILL FIGHT FOR OUR GLORIOUS DOGE ZAIA
Roma IS A FUCK,
NEVER PAY LAZY SOUTHERNERS
39470384 HAVE RECEIVED TRANSGENDER HORMONES
Veneto is an incredible region much better than any other southern italian regions,im not even from Veneto and i know this
we will get our Padania, we will get our Doge and we will win against Roma ladrona
if you support self determination you support the venetian people

 No.1811503

>>1811242
> Rumagna mentioned
🥳

 No.1811504

>>1811419
the heroin dealings are an european problem not just specifically a Veneto problem
Veneto is just generally where they get shipped as it has large harbours and clearly better infrastracture than south Italy

 No.1811506

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>>1811242
if Tuscany today is so right wing it's because of Renzi mostly, he was incredibly popular in Tuscany and many even voted for his referendum
he shifted his voters more and more to the right as he criticised even the most basic left wing socdem ideas


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 No.1810835[Reply]

I am looking to form a network of radicals in my city. There is precious little in the way of explicitly communist organising.

If you were entering into a new city for the first time for the purpose of radicalizing it. What places would you go to? Who would you think is most important to talk to? What events, organisations or meetings would you hold to move towards increasing radicalization in the city?

 No.1810845

>>1810835
its a very long process. Honestly universities are the most ripe for radicalizing but if you're not a student maybe don't.

If I had to do it, I'd start with maybe philosophy discussion cafes, maybe leftist hangout like a cook out BBQ, or look up activist groups and start getting to know people there.

It takes a shit ton of sustained effort. My communist org started with like 4 people and it took like 5 years to get it to 50 members. Lots of trial and error in a reactionary city.

 No.1810895

>There is precious little in the way of explicitly communist organising.
>If you were entering into a new city for the first time for the purpose of radicalizing it. What places would you go to? Who would you think is most important to talk to? What events, organisations or meetings would you hold to move towards increasing radicalization in the city?
Join the most left wing mass organisation that exists in your city, even if its socdems. There you might find people who are marxists or at least anti capitalist but havent, like you, found a party to go to.
Look if there are any capitalism critical lectures going on somewhere, like in schools, attend them.
Make these connections. Go hang out in the bar with them or whatever. Discuss politics in the city to gauge them and activate them.
Once you've got some people more or less on the "well this sucks, why does the largest party here suck, we need something else" do a reading group together or have some discussion meetings together. Go from there.

 No.1811079

Cheers for the ideas!

 No.1811080

Got any Palestine marches or direct actions like pickets? Those can lead you to unions and socialist orgs if any exist, some hide behind front orgs to allow non-socialists to feel more comfortable joining the action. Def ask the more radical union folk which orgs they work with.

 No.1811447

It's hard when cities have eliminated their third spaces. Environmental groups usually have a few anti-capitalists, OP just chain yourself to a tree.


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 No.1768644[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

How is Xi Jinping Thought still Marxist or Socialist? I’m reading parts of “On the Governance of China”, and I’m wondering with comrades think of this topic.
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 No.1810860

>>1768716
Fighting ghosts in your mind
>>1768721
Best take on China I've read in a long time

>>1769282
We really are about to go to war, aren't we?

 No.1810928

>>1768721

I mean i do agree there is certainly a chance that China could end up just turning into a Soc-dem state, but i think thats unlikely nor do i think the CPC will basically turn into "Capitalisims Psycharatrist" as for the former, social democracy is only possible if the exploitation of labour can be "outsourced" to other countries (which the western european states, the major social democratic states, could do) this is something which china cannot, nor seems interested, in doing, again, the CPC seem to be more interested in engaging in "mutually benefical" diplomacy rather than "lE EpIc SoFt ImPeRiAlIsM" that the social democratic states engaged in order to keep the Capitalist Class happy, this can largely be seen in China's "Belt and road" initative along with many other projects in africa, which, in laymens terms, is basically the chinese saying "You get schools, hospitals, and other infrastructural facilities, in exchange, we get to take SOME of your natural resources to feed our industries at home." which while is certainly NOT the chinese being virtuous by any means but is certainly not the chinese engaging in imperialisim like the western world (or soft imperialisim in the case of the modern western goverments) as the states that engaging with the Chinese do receive tangible benefits to there country in the form of industrial investment which helps for these countries (often post imperialists states that where still getting exploited by the west) to develop and improve the lives of there people and actually industrialise there respective countries, well its no real surpise why the west is losing a shit tone of influence in the third world.

Another reason for why i don't think china will become social democratic (even if Xi dies) is mostly just due to the fact that there aren't really a whole lot of people within the CPC that you can really say are Soc-dems, and even then most of those sorta people where either killed or forced to keep there heads down when Xi purged the party in the purge of 2015.

TL;Dr, I do agree there is a CHANCE that the CPC could potentially become capitalisims fireman but i think its extremely fucking unliekly, and in all honesty i think that sorta notion within the CPC has dimished considerbly since the 2010s (Aka due to Xi's purges and also due to the absolute shitstorm the western world, and mPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.1810943

>>1810928
>there is certainly a chance that China could end up just turning into a Soc-dem state
nonsense

 No.1811368

>>1810943

>nonsense.

Yeah i'm not going to lie the chance of china becoming a soc dem state and the CPC capitalisims fireman is increadibly fucking small (like less than 5%) but its still something that could happen, even if the chance of that happening is really fucking low, though at this point i don't think it will happen even if Xi dies.

 No.1811387

A simple way to materially ground thoughts on China in favour and against vibes based idealism is the party position on property. Currently 'loaned out' to capital but still ultimately all in the legal hands of state and thus party as the final arbiter and holder of leverage. Thus popular control of the final lever of the economy.
Even in a perfected social democracy with a 1000-term FDR reich - the enshrinement of private property puts the interests of the creditor, rentier and banker above the state. Whose legally protected wealth will be become the state and erode such a counterfactual just as in Europe in reality
Should the CPC ever surrender this control of property as judge, jury and executioner of rents; then its over. Until that happens, China remains structurally socialist from a vulgar material measurement however bad faith individual actors within its political economy are.


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 No.1793661[Reply]

What is it with materialists and using pic related as an argument against metaphysical criticisms of materialism? I don't disagree with the doctrine of historical materialism necessarily but a lot of these people seem to be incredibly myopic either in erroneously considering human production as the basis for anything that doesn't emerge from this process, or in considering anything outside the frame of human production irrelevant.

>inb4 materialism is anti-metaphysical
In some sense yes, but 1. metaphysical/ontological claims are still made in defence of materialism (i.e. in the unity of matter and form, the consideration of monism, the existence of determinate substance that can be studied) and 2. being anti-metaphysics doesn't mean that a world outside human production doesn't exist and doesn't require study.

>inb4 these considerations don't matter with regards to the program/"I'm tryin to turn the wheel of history ovah here!" etc
That's fine but if materialism is a purely political consideration for you then I'm not interested.
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 No.1794100

>>1793731
Materialism is anti-idealist.
Dialectics is anti-metaphysical.

 No.1794195

>>1794100
Provide an example of something metaphysical that, were it to exist, would be immune to material analysis without in-of-itself becoming a material condition to be considered in material analysis of other things. You can't.

A praxis based understanding of reality is more scientifically correct than one of assertions of existence and non-existence. If something is irrelevant to praxis, then both assertions of it's existence and non-existence are idealism. If something is relevant to praxis, then there is no ambiguity that it exists in some capacity, thus the assertion is a non-nonsensical shadow of that idealism. Anything else is reddit atheism.

 No.1794216

idk i think some of the anti-metaphysics stuff is dogmatic and refers to a specific kind of metaphysics that is more narrow. it always seemed weird to me that some subsets of marxists were so anti-metaphysics when imo marxism also has a metaphysics. like even though lenin went super hard on idealists he also said that berkelian idealism or especially hegel was closer to marx then the positivists and i think a lot of his word choice was specific to the time and the popular understanding of things among the people. i think when they say metaphysics in this sense they mean unexamined assumptions or taking observations as given without reflection. same with materialism, it can be difficult to tell if people mean dialectical materialism or vulgar physicalism, and it also doesn't help that a lot of vulgar physicalists think that they are the true materialists that subscribe to "no ideology" or people who just say they are dialectical materialists without understanding dialectics

 No.1796334

>>1793661
>That's fine but if materialism is a purely political consideration for you then I'm not interested.
Stop smoking weed and start changing the world. I dont give a shit about philosophy i just want to have security, a planet that dorsnt die and stop having homeless people or genocides existing.

 No.1811386

>>1793689
Those ‘fascist’ considerations were the subject of many many many essays by the Red Guards, you wrecker dolt.


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 No.1810506[Reply]

I made a Twitter just to hate follow reactionaries. What surprised me is I get to see photos of them, and they honestly look just like me. They look human but they're so monstrous once you give them a safe place to say the quiet part out loud. People can interpret this in bad faith, whatever. I guess maybe it's a banality of evil type thing. I mean look at this couple! How do two people like that become so venomous, so cruel, proud racists not for some higher blood and soil cause no just because they see the position of power white supremacy grants them and find it pleasing, and whatever the costs at least it's not me. Like these are the nightmare makers, and they look so… boring

Someone please post that one Matt Christman WebM so I feel less alone.. I just can't help myself but gaze into the abyss.. maybe I'm just a masochist.
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 No.1811167

>>1811106
Oh so just a courthouse marriage. OP is really shocked that normies don't look like Gollum, twisted by rage?

 No.1811219

>>1811143
>>1811162
>evil is not as often done by supervillainesque people like hitler but instead thousands of little yes men who do what their jobs require of them because theyve not thought about it
Am I missing something? Her big point is that people who are superficially deemed boring, uncharismatic, unthinking push-overs can be evil too? Like no one understood that before her profound insights on the subject?
The basis of Christianity is that everyone is born evil. Did post-WW2 western liberals just forget about the religion that has been in charge of their culture for 2000 years?

 No.1811223

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Move to fedi pls. Stop giving patronage to the nazi bar.

 No.1811251

>>1811219
i know it sounds pathetic but at least the majority of americans genuinely have trouble understanding this point. they think murder is something that murderers dk and rape is something rapists do, and those are either back alley warped cretins who are ugly and villainous or theyre genius level sociopath tricksters, instead of largely average dull people doing shitty things.

arendts real "contribution" is her "analysis of totalitarianism", which is nonsense taken at face value but does provide an informative view into the mind of how liberal ideology mystifies the 20th century. banality of evil is kind of a humanities student meme, like "kafkaesque"

 No.1811343

>>1811251
>back alley warped cretins who are ugly and villainous or theyre genius level sociopath tricksters, instead of largely average dull people doing shitty things.
This is clearly a idea perpetuated by a sheltered middle-class: projecting it's criminality onto only the lower and upper classes.
>banality of evil is kind of a humanities student meme
While Arendt taking this so seriously is a joke, I'm starting to think it's fine as an antidote to the "normal people can't be bad!" attitude. It probably needed to be spread around. I've kind of come around to the idea in a way.


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 No.1811043[Reply]

War on Gaza: Israeli troops withdraw from al-Shifa hospital, leaving piles of dead bodies
Gaza's civil defence put the figure of those killed at around 300. The army said it conducted its raid without harming civilians and medical personnel, but medical organisations and eyewitnesses have strongly rejected the claim. The World Health Organisation said at least 21 patients died during the siege. Survivors told Middle East Eye that scores of civilians were killed during the fortnight-long siege.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-troops-withdraw-al-shifa-leaving-pile-dead-bodies

Israeli parliament passes law paving the way for Al Jazeera closure
The law, which passed in a 70-10 vote in the Knesset, gives the prime minister and the communications minister the authority to order the closure of foreign networks operating in Israel and confiscate their equipment if it is believed they pose “harm to the state’s security”.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/1/israeli-pm-netanyahu-revives-push-to-shut-down-al-jazeera
https://archive.is/CiwcV

SOHR: ISIS executed 14 Syrian soldiers, including two officers
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) reported that ISIS cells continue their executions of soldiers, the majority of whom are from the regime troops, in various areas in the Syrian desert as part of the dangerous escalation of the cells during the recent period.
https://anfenglishmobile.com/rojava-syria/sohr-isis-executed-14-syrian-soldiers-including-two-officers-72518

Thai court acquits dozens who shut down Bangkok airports in 2008
The Bangkok Criminal Court ruled on Friday that the so-called “Yellow Shirt” protests, which opposed a government headed by allies of deposed Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, were protected under the constitution because they were peaceful and thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.1811050

Barnes & Noble workers plan union drive at largest US bookstore chain
“Many more” stores will unionize, according to booksellers demanding better pay and conditions. At locations that already have, employees accuse the chain’s management of dragging their heels during contract negotiations. James Daunt, the CEO, is said to have embarked upon a months-long campaign to dissuade employees from voting in favor.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/apr/01/barnes-noble-workers-union-drive

Google to purge billions of files containing personal data in settlement of Chrome privacy case
Google has agreed to purge billions of records containing personal information collected from more than 136 million people in the U.S. surfing the internet through its Chrome web browser. The records purge comes as part of a settlement in a lawsuit accusing the search giant of illegal surveillance.
https://apnews.com/article/google-chrome-privacy-lawsuit-settlement-203cc5063f1a1d4013de1900d9376814

Arizona GOP advances bill legalizing killing undocumented migrants on suspicion of trespassing
The legislation, which is expected to be vetoed if it reaches the state's Democratic governor, would legalize the murder of undocumented immigrants, who often have to cross ranches that sit on the state's border with Mexico.
https://www.axios.com/2024/02/27/arizona-gop-bill-rancher-migrant-kill

Video shows California police fatally shooting teenager who was reported kidnapped
Deputies cornered Anthony Graziano’s vehicle on the side of a freeway in Hesperia, 80 miles east of Los Angeles. When Savannah exited the vehicle, they opened fire and killed her. The shooting sparked national concern, with critics questioning how officers wound up killing the teenage girl they were tasked with rescuing.
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A Letter From Boris Kagarlitsky in Russian Prison
In July, Russian police arrested the Marxist sociologist and political activist Boris Kagarlitsky under trumped-up charges of “justifying terrorism.” He was eventually released in December on the back of a massive international solidarity campaign. However, on February 13, judges reopened the case against him and sentenced him to five years in prison. Kagarlitsky wrote to Jacobin from his cell in Zelenograd, where he is currently serving his sentence, about conditions in Russian jail and the importance of the international solidarity movement.
https://jacobin.com/2024/04/boris-kagarlitsky-letter-russian-prison

The downfall of Jeffrey Donaldson will not be the downfall of unionism itself
THE Right Honourable Jeffrey Donaldson, knight of the imperial realm and leader of the largest of Ireland’s fractured unionist parties, got the dawn knock by the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) and half a day later was released after being charged with multiple historical sexual offences while his wife was charged with aiding and abetting additional offences. To say that politics in Northern Ireland is enduring a deluge of social media speculation is to understate the state of affairs. While the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) doesn’t have a monopoly of religiosity in the pressure-cooker politics of what remains of Britain’s Irish colonial possession, the DUP has uniquely made scripture the soundtrack to its narrative. While the defrocked DUP leader faces one charge of rape, one of gross indecency and several counts of indecent assault, the PSNI has warned that speculation “may have a negative impact on the criminal justice process.” The laws around the reporting of cases involving allegations of sexual offending include full and continuing anonymity for victims unless they choose to waive that right. Nevertheless, speculation about the political consequences is unconstrained.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/editorial-the-downfall-jeffrey-donaldson-will-not-be-the-downfall-of-unionism-itself

Ernesto Che Guevara The CPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.1811083

TYBNA

 No.1811091

TYBNA

 No.1811226

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Thanks News Anon


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 No.1810881[Reply]

I need good info on collectivization (mechanics, material analysis etc).
Glowpedia is garbage,
>Don't explain how it works
>Muh famines
>Muh Kulaks
>iT nEvEr wOrkEd!!
>Obligatory SoLZHEnitsyn quotes as historical facts

No good sources from encyclopedias
>Westoids have same problem as glowpedia
>Socialist encyclopedias have very bare bones info

Youtubers
>Rightoids same thing as glowpedia
>Leftoids unsourced apologia
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 No.1810963

>>1810881
Go to /edu/ retard

 No.1810968

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The Eternal Anglo strikes again!

 No.1811033

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>>1810963
Deal with it.


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 No.1797117[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Remember!!: Always voot with confidence!

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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine
https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323740
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 No.1810865

>>1810847
The actual amount is close to half a trillion.

 No.1810866

>>1810815
conscription is different from snatching random people off the streets

 No.1810871

>>1810850
Crapitalism is the most cuck-inducing system ever. I understand capitalists set it up for themselves but I don't understand the simps for crapitalism.
>Cannot tax corporations
>Cannot nationalize them
>Muh Private property

 No.1810875

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Surrender husbanduru

 No.1810885

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 No.1792076[Reply]

Peterson's criticism of Marxism are so shallow.
How did he gain steam with these shallow arguments?
Post modernism? That's a criticism of Marxism. It called Marxism a metanarrative. Why is he conflating the two?
Now he's testifying before congress agaisnt china for it's social score.whats wrong with the social score?
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 No.1808055

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If you say things that are incrementally more obviously false, you slowly filter out your audience to only those illiterate enough to still believe what you're saying. Then you create / integrate with communities of people that can acclimate kids to the resulting worldview.

It's why conventional scams don't bother to get more believable over time, you want people that are dumb enough that they don't have smarter friends to talk them out of bad financial decisions. This has always been a tool of rallying political support as well. It's just post-Q conservativism has managed to take it unprecedentedly far thanks to SEO.

 No.1808095

>>1792524
That's bacause they don't understand either lol

 No.1808830

>readiness to shoulder responsibility
I saw that during the 2008 crisis

 No.1808861

>>1808830
boomers always preach this shit and never practice it.

 No.1810846

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>>1792076
Wasn't he babbling about how marxism was destroying america but he never even read the communist manifesto, the most easily digestable book of Marx and Engels, before losing his debate with Zizek? He doesn't even know what he is criticizing.


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 No.1808957[Reply]

Comrade Zarobyan, the First Secretary of the Communist Party of Armenia, is on the podium. He began his speech by saying what a dear comrade Nikita Sergeyevich was the Great Leader of the world proletariat, how everything around him expanded and strengthened under his leadership, what a sure path towards communism he had drawn for the Armenians. Then Comrade Zarobyan noted the outstanding achievements of Comrade Khrushchev in the fight against the cult of personality and those who opposed this struggle:
"Comrades! The historic XX Congress of the CPSU played an extremely important role in the life of our party and the Soviet people. The Leninist course pursued by the Central Committee after the XX Congress found unanimous approval and support of the party and the entire Soviet people. The speeches at this congress gave a completely correct assessment of the divisive, subversive activities of the anti-party group, which tried to turn the party off the Leninist path and return it to the old politics of the cult of personality. It is no coincidence that one of the participants of the anti—party group, Malenkov, so zealously resisted the elimination of the harmful consequences of the cult of personality. This bankrupt politician organized the beating of cadres not only in the Leningrad and Belarusian party organizations, but also the leading cadres of the Communist Party of Armenia. We consider the delegates' suggestion that Malenkov is not worthy to be in the ranks of our great party to be correct. (Applause).
The great merit of the Central Committee of the CPSU, headed by the indomitable Leninist Comrade N. S. Khrushchev, is that, having decisively exposed and defeated the anti-party group and courageously overcome its resistance, he consistently ensured the implementation of the Leninist party line outlined by the XX Congress of the CPSU.
The restoration of Leninist norms of party and state life contributed to an increase in the activity of communists, improving the style and methods of work of party and Soviet bodies. The activities of the Central Committee of our Party and Comrade Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev personally serve as an example of Lenin's style of work for all of us. (Applause)".
And, of course, it was necessary to get rid of Stalinist cadres in Armenia, which was successfully accomplished:
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 No.1809679

>>1809673
It continues in the same tradition as mongol, ottoman and Qing empires which were the most progressive empires in human history

 No.1809683

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>Khruschev was reactionary
Correct.

 No.1810276

>>1809069
what are you doing here?

 No.1810813

>>1809516
>China and Russia
>capitalist powers
Come on anon even you can’t be that stupid

 No.1810814

>>1809669
>Muh hohols, muh feds!
Maybe you are the fed? Maybe you are the fruit born out of mod teams failure at taking proper action when necessary.


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