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Around the 29 minute mark Peterson criticizes Marx and Engel's for assuming that workers would magically become more productive once they took over.

This actually happened historically, most of the actually effective productivity tricks work places use now were developed by Stakhanovites.

https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1936-2/year-of-the-stakhanovite/year-of-the-stakhanovite-texts/stalin-at-the-conference-of-stakhanovites/
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Finished Fundamentals of Scientific Management of Socialist Economy (USSR, 1989). Has anyone else ever failed as hard as the nameless authors of this "work"?

Look at this. LOOK AT IT:
<The essence of profit-and-loss accounting is in its principles whose practical implementation actually means profit-and-loss accounting.
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The text is like a turd from a ghost. These are the educated people that brought down the Soviet Union.



 

drop them PDFs, we will rebuild edition
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ITT post information about the history and anthropology of the New World. A lot of new anthropological work has been done in this field in recent decades that has not yet entered public consciousness.
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>>24690
Some fully reconstructed funerary masks found in Maya tombs for comparison.

'Trash' found deep inside a Mexican cave turns out to be 500-year-old artifacts from a little-known culture

While investigating a cave high in the mountains of Mexico, a spelunker thought she had found a pile of trash from a modern-day litterbug. But upon closer inspection, she discovered that the "trash" was actually a cache of artifacts that may have been used in fertility rituals more than 500 years ago.

"I looked in, and it seemed like the cave continued. You had to hold your breath and dive a little to get through," speleologist Katiya Pavlova said in a translated statement. "That's when we discovered the two rings around the stalagmites."

The cave, called Tlayócoc, is in the Mexican state of Guerrero and about 7,800 feet (2,380 meters) above sea level. Meaning "Cave of Badgers" in the Indigenous Nahuatl language, Tlayócoc is known locally as a source of water and bat guano. In September 2023, Pavlova and local guide Adrián Beltrán Dimas ventured into the cave — possibly the first time anyone has entered it in about five centuries.

While taking a break to look around, Pavlova and Beltrán were shocked to discover 14 artifacts.

Among the artifacts were four shell bracelets, a giant decorated snail shell (genus Strombus), two complete stone disks and six disk fragments, and a piece of carbonized wood. Pavlova and Beltrán immediately contacted Mexico's National Institute of Anthropology and History (INAH), which sent archaeologists to recover the artifacts in March.

Given the arrangement of the bracelets — which had been looped over small, rounded stalagmites with "phallic connotations" — the archaeologists speculated that fertility rituals were likely performed in Tlayócoc cave, they said in the statement.

"For pre-Hispanic cultures, caves were sacred places associated with the underworld and considered the womb of the Earth," INAH archaeologist Miguel Pérez Negrete said in the statement.
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<La joya prehispánica de Perú de más de 3.800 años, Peñico, abre sus puertas al mundo
Este lugar floreció entre los años 1800 y 1500 a.C., al mismo tiempo que lo hacían las primeras civilizaciones en Oriente Medio y Asia. Ubicado a tan solo 12 kilómetros del sitio arqueológico de Caral, el Peñico ahora es noticia porque, tras ocho años de trabajo en el yacimiento —llevado a cabo por un grupo formado en su 80% por habitantes locales—, por fin abre sus puertas

Wake up babe, new Ancient Americas dropped. This one's about controlled burns managing wilderness.



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>Historical events, states and peoples with cool names
'The expedition of the thousand', 'Triarchy of Negroponte', 'The Battle of the Crater' and 'The Boxer rebellion'
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Ispahsalar


Heresiarch or Arch-Heretic

The Field of Blood

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redditor



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So /edu/ this site is full of threads debunking standard chicken headed talking points but what are some legit criticisms of leftist thought?

I found this book Black Marxism by Cedric Robinson and his thesis runs as following. Marxism and European socialism, instead of being an ideology of the proletariat, was a petty bourgeois ideology born out of a ressentiment for the bourgeoisie and the belief that the proletariat could be better managed. Leftists falsely understood capitalism as a rationalizing force which would create a homogenous proletariat, while in truth capitalism exacerbates racial differences to manage pops more efficiently. Leftists mistake nationalism and racism as essentially reactionary, while in truth it has always played a huge and sometimes preponderant part in history.

Second Kolakowski's book Main Currents of Marxism makes two important claims. Terms like "materialism" and "dialectics" are not well defined leading to ambiguity and confusion. This is why Lenin and the Russian Marxists misinterpreted Marx's materialism as an ontology of matter. Second leftist materialism is determinstic and offers a telological history in which outcomes are predetermined. This undermines human creativity and autonomy and is why the Soviets and "actually existing socialism" became totalitarian in practice. The party led by masters of Marxist theory and technocrats can guide society through more and more bureaucratization cancelling out the need for democratic participation and subordinating individual agency to the needs of the bureaucracy itself. I believe the Maoists saw this and tried to break from it but China ended up producing the same results because even the red guards embraced the same interpretation of historical/dialectical materialism.

I want bring out Carl Schmitt here for all the leftcoms and anarchists. If you have a radically open society you can easily get invaded by an influx of new people. /pol/ stormfaggot colonization of online spaces proves that anarchic environments are highly vulnerable to this type of invasion or the emergence of extremism within. Anarchist societies would not have the means to resist these invaders. Probably why the Zapatistas are scrapping their communal autonomy model because of cartels moving into Chiapas and causing trouble. The anarchist army could resist an external military force. Its been done before. But an anarchist society is prone to collapse and reversal through inabiliPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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critiques of maoism

>>24723
>Marx gives us a stage theory of history where human societies evolve from more simple modes of production to more complex ones like capitalism. This entire model is empirically false and it assumes there's some linear tech tree that all human societies must advance through.
No, that's just your misreading of Marx. There's a tendency that people reduce dialectics to the triad thesis-antithesis-synthesis. Well, I also think that there's a tendency that people reduce Marx's analysis of capitalist to the triad slavery-feudalism-capitalism. Looking back, everything does seem linear.

The message you should get from Marx is that capital is univeralizing and history during and after Marx proves this - capital is international, it spread with sword and fire of colonialism and imperialism. Where there is capital, there's a working class and vice versa. Capital reproduces the working class and the enslavement of the working class under capital. The working class has vested historic interest to overthrow this system. That's the big story.

In general I think you're arguing a Marx strawman. With some Twitter ML ghost that ratio'd you earlier in the week.

>>24727
I'm not talking about dialectics. I'm talking about historical materialism and his theories of historical development. Marx is a social evolutionist: all societies should eventually develop the same social and productive structures, regardless of how he thinks this development happens. This really could be a side thing to his whole critique of capitalism which mostly holds up even if its dated. You can accept some of Marx's ideas without being a Marxist and you don't have to believe in X or Y thing Marx said. Marxists try to clobber you into this dogmatism.

>>24724
That's why I say that free will is not the same as true freedom.

>>24729
thats dialectics



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Are there any rewritten versions of important theory works dumbed down for retards like me? I
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No. Start to use your 2 neurons and read you fucking idiot.

>>24294
Honestly same. For me it's more not knowing where to start, and when there's volumes upon volumes of thick books covering every little niche part of the subject it's hard to know where to start

>>24694
Start with these: >>24296

Youre not a retard! Just start simple and develop your reading skills. I'd recommend starting with "The Principles of Communism" by Engels. It's an easy read



 

How could the economic stagnation in the USSR have been avoided? I understand that Gorbachev's liberalization was the last straw, but there were economic problems even before that.

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Market socialist reforms

Anti-corruption reforms

There was no future for socialism, so it could only die no matter what you did to resuscitate it. The argument for socialism was never premised on economic growth, nor was that seen as the purpose of capitalism necessarily. The argument for socialism was whether there was any interest in continuing the project, or if the favored wouldn't cut loose anyone who wasn't meant to make it in the world to come. They chose the latter, some enthusiastically, some only out of immediate self-interest, and some entirely against their wishes and sense of the world but mandated by the pressure of the first two groups. It became impossible to speak of a world where someone could simply exist as a poor. Only exceptional people are wanted in the world to come, and exceptional people are by definition not the masses.



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I am still a noob in economics and socialism in general, can someone explain to me in a simple way why the current real estate crisis and high prices. I live in the EU which is infamous for making excessive controls, yet it is quite common to buy products from Morocco or similar countries where conditions are much worse, what do they gain from it?

Literally "The rent is too damn high". The entire economy is set up for as much rent extraction as possible by decades of policy, with the intent of imploding capitalism as anything involving actual capital.
In the rest of the world, real estate is not ridiculously overpriced, with the exception of some parts of the Middle East that are already an advanced model of the new program they want for the world. It's still expensive everywhere, but not so expensive that it is inflated ridiculously beyond what anyone actually pays for it. The entire purpose of such high rents is to make them unpayable, so that there is no more family home and you can't rent an apartment without three working-class incomes that you can't possibly attain. The only reason there isn't a mass implosion is because of those holding on to their accumulated wealth from generations ago and housing programs that prop up the ridiculous rent-seeking… sometimes. If you are a poor, you are dead in this world. Dead. The poors are made to live as if they were illegal aliens in their own country, squatting in their friends' homes. Such is life. If any of them find a place of their own, the mob of squatters comes in to wreck it, all with the tacit approval of the rent-seekers. No one could afford these rents without being selected to live, and those selected to live are just handed everything. They do not struggle. They do not.



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What the fuck are they? Every time a Marxist attempts to explain them it's like a Haskell programmer attempting to explain Monads.
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Once you've gotten through all the dialogue and links above you're ready for:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/commodity.htm

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1908/mec/

Have a glance through:

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If you have trouble, ask questions in this thread even, if you see something someone posts ask questions about it

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>>24711
Wrong. Dialectic is the only genuine science.

>>24705
>Saying heat death is "proven science" is just so stupid, now i gotta jump in.
Wrong. You deny the Second Law of Thermodynamic. Denial of heat death is denial of dialectic. Your admission of ignorance demonstrates you speak from bourgeois contrarianism.
>Physics is not complete.
Irrelevant. The universe does not care about humankind's undersanding.
>Physics is not complete. For example, physicists expect that there are undiscovered "structures" between the quark and planck scales, that there must be issues with the current models due to its inability to correctley predict the higgs boson mass, and lets not forget the breakdown of quantum mechanics and relativity when used for modeling black holes. More blatantly, heat death is currentley predicted by the observation that the universe seems to be expanding, and is explained by undiscovered "dark energy".
Wrong. Your appeal to ignorance and unknown future discoveries is undialectical. Dialectics is based on study of material reailty. Quantum calculations do not determine if a star or the universe dies.
>Heat death is not "proven science", it is a prediction based off assuptions about dark energy, which may or may not turn out to be true. There may be a Big Rip if things expansion keeps accelerating, for example.
Wrong. Heat death is proven science. All proven science is prediction based on evidence. Science has no room for maybes. Big rip is heat death with extra steps.

>>24707
For what it's worth, thermodynamics is fairly clear about the ultimate fate of the universe if heat is analogous to all energy, so eventually there is no more thermal activity as such in the universe, and no way to start the engine artificially. I have no problem with the credibility of the theory. I just reject calling it "proven science" imperiously for the reasons provided, as if it were declared or asserted by nature to doom us. There are other ways for the universe as we can possibly know it comes to an end that aren't about heat systems, and we have no "natural" notion of an artifice that can generate heat in the first place. My take on it is that "the universe as we know it" is primarily artificial history, even if the "artifices" came about by happenstance in nature. We study a thing called "nature" to discern a past and general laws about all of these things, but nature by itself says little about what the universe is or should be. Appeal to nature ends with a gigantic "just-so" story which is where you get stupid things like the "anthropic principle", or pure self-centered hedonism that makes the most ridiculous parts of Christianity and Islam look like bastions of sanity. It's not a great theory or claim to believe that eventually the energy or fuel for processes is exhausted, but for the crass interpretation to hold, heat has to be a "total, closed system", i.e. there can be nothing but heat in the universe which is patently false. If you're not referring to heat then thermodynamics is not the appropriate principle, and one thing I find really annoying are people who make asinine philosophical claims based on thermodynamics about "order", "chaos", and so on. You've probably heard them many times because stupid people raise these points all of the time.

I can't say as much about the current state of the theory or "Dark Energy" since Dark Matter and Dark Energy only exist as a very big cosmological fudge factor, or an acknowledgement that we really don't see much at all with telescopes. My take is that physics went really really bad some time around the 1930s because they didn't want people to know how a nuclear bomb worked and thought they could make their death weapons like magic. The problem is, people can understand fission well enough, and can understand fusion and why you can never do much with fusion power. Maybe if you had enough mPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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When it comes to the study of ancient economic history, one is faced with serious difficulties as a beginner. The usual textbooks normally cover the "histoire événementielle", i.e., the succession of notable historical events and actors (the surface of history), while the works that do cover ancient socioeconomic history are hard to find or outdated, such as Finley's famous book.

Does anyone here have some knowledge in the matter? Can anyone recommend a study process or bibliography? Should one first read the basic textbooks of histoire événementielle and later on deepen the matter or skip directly to the socioeconomic outlook?

I am very lost in this matter and I don't know where to begin, and I'm sure a lot of people are in the same situation in here. And I believe it is very important to have, at least, a broad outlook on the progression of economic history until capitalism, to maybe deepen more specifically in modern history and economics, but with a general view of what came before and the evolution of the present mode of production.
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Ancient Egypt had a command & palace economy. Considering how long their empire existed it might be one of the more interesting ones to look into.

>>24656
Sort of related to your point, I've been reading a lot of Ranajit Guha recently, and in his book History at the Limit of World-History, he critiques Hegel for a limited view of history:

Guha critiques the concept of world-history in the lineage of Hegel as being almost exclusively Eurocentric. Yet this is not merely a cultural rebuke, for Guha sees that Hegelian history, a worldview that saw human development motivated by a transcendent world historical ‘spirit’, as one ‘held in thrall by a narrowly defined politics of statism’ (p.5). World-history then took on an elevated quality as something that only people who had both writing and a state were able to participate in (p.10). Thus by ignoring the vast majority of the globe, Hegel’s world-history becomes ‘a short story with epical pretensions’ (p.35).

here you go anon. these might not be exactly what youre looking for in the sense that theyre not focused surveys and have their own broader theses, but ive read all of these and theyre excellent. idk how these versions are because i have the physical copies, but if youre interested in this topic i highly recommend them.

the banaji and wood books in particular are really fucking good

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>>24656
Believe it or not, Churchill

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