/dead/ - Post-Left

>>2094
Marx was wrong because he predicted a proletarian mass movement to arise from highly developed capitalist relations, but this never happened, In fact, there has never been a proletarian revolution in all of history. The bolsheviks got into power through a coup and the masses were mobilised by the second world war going badly and not by capitalist relations they had whished to be destroyed. In China, Vietnam, Korea and Cuba we see mostly national liberation struggles being the cause of a regime change, it just so happened that the forces winning out in the end were the communist parties. Lastly, there are countries like the GDR that did not only not have a proletarian revolution, they didnt have any revolution but simply lost a war against socialist forces and was declared socialist afterwards. So in no instance did socialist rule establish itself through a mass movement that had the goal of dismantling capitalism.
The reason for this is that class counsciosness doesnt exist or at least doesnt exist in a historically or politcially relevant manner. Marx predicted that class counsciosness would arise in those situations were capitalism is developed the strongest and the internal contradictions of capitalism create the highest pressure upon the working class, instead we have only seen socialist attemps in places were capitalism was poorly developed and the centers of capitalist production even seem to be the most stable.
Other points worthy of critique in marxism are it's conception of history (communism is is no historical destination), his disregard of the states own reproduction of hierarchy and his own petite-bourgeois prejudices against the lumpenproletariat, but even I don't fully reject marx. I think his theory of value and exploitation is spot on and alot of his sociological observations are REALLY good, but there just wont ever be a class counscious mass movement fighting to emancipate themselves from capitalism. That's just a pipedream.

Is egoism inherently compatible with any political ideology you honestly desire to be realized?

>>2102
yes, because egoism is not a political philosophy

>>2092
Novatore is such a larper lmaoooo

>>2147
you mean like a pseudo-intellectual?
idk, i always got the vibe of him being pretty clear on not being philosophy in the traditional sense.

>>2068
>>2069
shit i tried to post the uh oh stinky meme
just imagine that instead

>>2104
jealousy is such an incredibly toxic aspect of human relationships. i don't understand jealousy, and i don't tolerate it in my own relationships

Isn't it profoundly anti-egoist to ask what the proper egoist view is before doing something

Jfc just read Sade

>>2137
not if you consider other egos as an extension of your own, such that asking them questions and receiving answers to those questions amounts to nothing more than a self-dialogue

>t. transcendental metaphysicist, panentheistic, cosmic solipsist egoist

>>2033
fuck you

wouldn't it already be your property? just go and take it

>>2030
TRUE!!!

print your own bae

I don't think that's Stirner.

Poor Samuel Beckett. Wrote one of the most important tragicomic postmodern plays of its timen, won a bloody Nobel Prize and now his likeness is only remembered as being "almost le epic egoism man".

>>2025
Stirner had blond hair and blue eyes.

>>2026
the ubermensch!

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Stirner had a hard life.

Personas can't get married.

>>1985
yeah I heard this theory before, I think its partially true

>>1988
It's obvious. "Stirner" "died" of a bug bite, which is absurd, and nobody attended his funeral except Bruno Bauer, who also arranged the funeral, and his grave lists him as "Max Stirner" rather than his actual real name, there aren't even photographs of him. We think he exists because Engels and Marx and other Young Hegelians said he did, they made him up and gave him an entire philosophy of spooks as a big joke because he is himself a spook.

>>1989
>nobody attended his funeral except Bruno Bauer
That's rough.

>>1985
Unless Engels faked an entire life's worth of writings, documents and other people's personal accounts for a period of decades, that's bullshit.

>>1989
It was not a bug bite, but a common tumor which was suggested to be because of the bite of a poisonous fly. The grave is listed as Max Stirner because that's the name he used most often in his later years, and all who cared about him by the time of his death would have referred to him as such. The lack of photographs can be explained by a combination of chance and the fact that he lived in poverty for a significant amount of his life and was a very cloistered person.

>>1985
I doubt it otherwise das kapital would be tainted

what's the point of anything?

>>1993
to have fun and watch while the world around us slowly wastes away

>>2000
>Have fun

After the riots died down now it is just back to being cynical and jaded.

>>2000
>to watch others have fun and watch while the world around us slowly wastes away*
ftfy

>>1978
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