/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>519604
>What happens when you’re an idealist with a top-down view of “society”. Society is impossible to undermine because it’s never truly static
Here is your materialist cynicism. Do you also play the quasi-deleuzean game of saying there is no human concept because our cells are constantly dying and self-creating relations of meaning?
Hegel's critique of Kant comes in handy here, where Kant (in his pseudo-materialism) sees things-in-themselves pertaining to their isolated essences (or "being" as such), hegel makes the comment that its only in the fullness of a "thing" drawn into the shape of its "truth" that it becomes conceptualised (and thus universalised) "in itself". Thus the human concept does not draw from its particular contents, but in the excess that a form represents. We know what a human is by its abstraction, and we also understand the "idea" of society by history. Society is not merely a collection of individuals (here again is the anti-social ontology of the left), but is the attribute of its very collectivity, which (in german idealist thought) is situated to its problematised self-relation (where something "in-itself" is also something "for-itself").
Marx actually does a good job of finding the thread of this hegelian concern by situating the mass of social labour as the "idea" of our relation by bringing it into concept. Power collects around this and shapes society to its class structure.
Engels' understanding of the nuclear family are equally lucid.
>society is never static
Well, think of a body, it stays the same within its internal change; that is the "idea" of the Spirit. Marx also alludes to the circular nature of history, but also seeks to overcome this by immediatising relations of production (which is his sin, but also the revelation of his truth - someone like alain de benoist has spoken before about this fundamental "jewishness" of marx before for example; of despising our mediated (alienated) being).
But i ask you a rhetorical question - if society cannot be conceptualised then what exactly do *you* mean by "society"?

>>519726
>It is much cheaper to have a mechanical turk comb through 1000 (or 10000) AI generated images to pick out the most acceptable than to pay for an artist who went to school to learn how to draw good.
Most "artists" are shit though.
>go to a school to learn how to draw
Thats like someone saying they're a good singer because they took vocal lessons.
Great talent is always natural talent. Like how mozart could play piano since he was a child.

>>519859
>quasi-deleuzean game of saying there is no human concept because our cells are constantly dying and self-creating relations of meaning?
No, but I also don't view the life of a cell as inherently analogous to society.
>becomes conceptualised
That's the problem. You've conceptualized it as static. These essences when you dig down into them are simply appearances in the mind as concepts, ideas, blah blah blah, sure. But even in that realm you only appeal to the appearance of the society that presently exists but not in its totality. Society is our natural condition and dissolution of the ties that bind are part of its intercourse. It's almost impossible to undermine.
>Well, think of a body, it stays the same within its internal change; that is the "idea" of the Spirit
Are we talking about society or "the Spirit™" now?
Hegel's own method was never appealing to a static "body" maintaining homeostasis. What he said was, "the bud disappears when the blossom breaks through". Marx makes the "first as tragedy, then as farce" quote implying a degradation of the repetition seen by Hegel. If society were any type of body it would not be one that maintains homeostasis very well. It's a faulty analogy.

>>519861
Do you believe that everybody has a piano to practice on growing up?
"Natural talent" is gatekept financially, and you're only deluding yourself if you try to persuade me elseways.
>pic unrelated

>>520128
I completely agree with you
>are we talking about society or the spirit
My feeling is that each thing lives within its own spirit. Society is one of these things which comes into concept.
>first as tragedy, then as farce
Yes, completely. Hegel also saw in his analogy of the fall of man the way in which all societies are created out of a fundamental failure to maintain itself; or what we might deem as contradiction (and what marx transposes as class society).
In his own time he suggested that war was good because it brought an integral identity to the nation, as against the particularity of private life. This is the way in which the universal must always be maintained (in its internal contradiction to have self-identity in wholeness - which is also the function of ideology).
So history (and society) are equally defined by this failure to realise itself, the same way everything dies, but like in the flower analogy - in a qualitative overcoming is still the Spirit of what the Thing is.
>totality of society
Again, are you giving license to the trivium of interpersonal events (like this conversation) as something for-itself? No. We are mediated by the thing in-itself, which is for-itself in the very medium of our discourse. There is *something* greater than the sum of our parts in this conversation, which is the fullness of our interaction by a qualitative excess, or self-relating negativity (that stands as the universal, in concept).
Think of how a triangle is simply the abstract relation of 3 points. The truth of this relation burgeons from the content into form.
My meaning in the body example is to see how the shape of (class) society is retained, even by sublation of the mode of production. This is why marx wants to escape history itself, something i see as fruitless. The contradiction simply must continue indefinitely.
Marx's brilliant dialectical point is that it is only by the capital relation (and surplus-value) that Value as a universal substance is realised in the sale of commodities. His point is perfect because it shows the failure of Value to realise itself withiut its contingent excess (in the capitalist class).
The industrial capitalist is revolutionary to marx for the same reason, that it is he who creatPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>519892
Op is le faggot

not really, their uses are too specific to be called the same

le monkey face

kind of but it's le better because you can also use it to mock someone

It's not a channer thing you adorable little internet babies, they're just the only ones still doing it after 2008.

/drugs/ general in here would be better idea, board userbase isnt big enough to warrant fracturing.

>>520164
Well most of the users of the board would be refugees and not resident leftypolers

We have one on 7chan actually, although our chill and their "oldfag" racism don't necessarily go well together we do have a history that predates even 8chan.

>>520053
im a little girl actually

>>520049
Ypu mean manchildren?

I’m in favor, I liek drugs

Or just start a drugs general thread in /hobby/.

>>512960
>chinlet
It don’t mean butt if it ain’t got that jut!

>>519891
>>519891
>Third: Can't figure this one out
Hmm maybe he is criticizing Trump saying instead of making America great he made patriots fugitives? I don't know where again plays into fugitives but it probably has no relation other than he wanted to twist the Maga slogan.

>>512955
>. You are a public figure that has literally worked on Disney projects, and your physique is a result of your material conditions, not some moral folly.
Material conditions od stuffing calories down his throat. Stop eating it's that shrimple fatsos. Put down the fork.

>>520192
Just realized I didn't eat anything yesterday besides some milk with my coffee. Fatsos think that would literally kill you. I can't understand the glutton mindset nor will I ever.

>>520193
I've never been fat in my life, but if I was I would stop eating until I wasn't. Fatsos, all the calories you need are literally inside you.

>>520125
the real shit is that we are entering the age of aquarius where the thousand year reich will reign after the reincarnation of Der Fuehrer as Vindex, the 10th avatar of Vishnu and Kalki, who will trample the forces of degeneration and liberate the aryan spirit by an artisanal information economy with free energy sources. This will launch the galactic imperium and we will establish contact with the galactic council, where many of us will be invited into the fold, while the rest fall away to continue the cycles of civilisations on earth and different planets.

I've actually been here since before the redirect, Chihuahua poster is also from 420chan, but I don't know their original homeland.

>>520131
THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE NO POSTS ABOUT DRUGS???

>>520132
I dunno, y'all strike me as the type of folks I wouldn't care to discuss drugs with tbh.

>>520083
Its not juvenile its senile.

Christianity is not a religion. Its a political theology. Christianity has severe persecution complex. They always talk about how the world is out to harm Jesus freaks for their faith.

Yet most of the world is subservant to Christiam influence. They assume everyone wants talked down to like a child with the same old maternal platitudes.

"God made you special."
"Lean on God."
"Doing for yourself is of the devil."


Christianity is mainly a midlife crisis cult

The Missionary Position

>>519813
Daddy's Littles

Rabbi Ron and the Five Shiksas

>>519926
Healthy kek

His daughters look like they could come from four different families

not yakub

>>520156
I love it

>>520100
>make Adorno think jazz is humanity's peak of civilization before blowing his brains out
Jazz is good wtf man

>>520102
Someone Redhill me unadorned kek. All notable orchestral composers eventually turned to jazz, Gershwin, Stravinsky, eyc.

>>520105
Like did adorns even know one thing about music theory? Why keep repeating this tard's opinions on music? Should we consult beethoven's opinion astro physics?

>>520110
We should consult Albert Einstein for
SOCIALISM

holy shit i never seen that webm before let alone any footage of people actually trying that. wow

Does anyone remember this one thread with an anon who grew buzz buttons (Acmella oleracea) so he could drink more vodka to impress his normie friends and ended up getting hospitalized?

>>519502
nah i just have some screnshnots from fbi.gov about this dude who ate a bunch of boiled Amanita muscaria