No.1840353
Fuck Zionists, fuck pigs.
No.1840366
https://twitter.com/MrOlmos/status/1785575555620123065 thread with footage of the ziochvds attacking the UCLA encampment
too lazy to save and post all of them rn
No.1840377
>>1840351Tried to post last night but jannies are banhappy faggitz.
The gist was thst Tunisia has formed a week of Actions, including occupations, called 'University flood' or something, with various demands.
No.1840380
Attack on pro-Palestinian protesters at UCLA: Here’s what to know
Hundreds of seemingly pro-Israel attackers assaulted an encampment of pro-Palestinian student protesters at UCLA.
The attackers hurled projectiles at the encampment as they tried to break through makeshift barricades.
Violent clashes ensued between the protesters and the counter-protesters, many of whom were masked.
Television footage showed people clashing with sticks and tearing down metal barricades. Others were seen launching fireworks or hurling objects at each other in the dark – lit up with laser pointers and bright flashlights.
Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass said police had arrived on campus, calling the violence “absolutely abhorrent and inexcusable”.
>>1840369Stop posting twitter links you retard, if you're to lazy to post actual videos then just don't, we're not here to enable your corpo social media addiction.
No.1840382
>>1840380Shut up, it's not my fault it's the only place you can get live updates from, and you can lurk with blank account
>corpo social media addictionGet a grip
No.1840399
Here you have the protests against Biden. Now all the ziggas that said BLM was entirely a Democrat show must say sorry.
No.1840421
>>1840382>it's the only place you can get live updates fromJust read the news like a normal person you social media addict.
No.1840429
What is truly incredible about this is that the level of aggregate investment in Israeli firms is likely to be trivial. Even if you expanded this to include, say, the worst of the worst defence contractors like KBR etc. the level of divestment and restructuring required wouldn't be overly complex.
"In its 2019 report, the Harvard Prison Divestment Campaign named four companies in which Harvard indirectly invests that it said were linked to the Israeli military. Those investments amount to $86,625."
"Harvard also holds $294,988 in indirect investments through Exchange Traded Funds in other companies on the list that the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights released in February. Exchange Traded Funds, or ETFs, are exchange-traded securities that often contain small investments in hundreds to thousands of other companies that meet certain criteria."
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/3/19/harvard-israel-palestine-investments/What is wild is that universities are reacting like this - out of principle.
No.1840440
>>1840421show me which news site has live on the ground footage of these events
No.1840441
>>1840382i'm w/ "Glowist-Leninist-Bidenist" (??) on this one. if possible, plz upload the thread as a screencap or download any videos from insta using yt-dlp, an open source vid extractor (
https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp). i personally use this site due to the non-existen natur of sign ups or emails, im sure allota ppl on here be the same.
>>1840380insane but 2 b , these fuckin american-zionists r real fuckin persistent and violent.
>>1840421>Just read the news like a normal person you social media addictwhere do u think the news is gettin the stories from?
No.1840458
This could go bigger than blm tbh
No.1840461
>>1840441you can replace the domain name in the links with a working nitter instance
No.1840463
>>1840462Holy shit, all across the east coast
No.1840466
>>1840461fair
>>1840458i hope so, the Western world is finlly wakin up to the injustices of Israel
No.1840470
dam son, all the free hong kong folks talking about chinese police brutality turn up and changed their tunes this year
No.1840479
>>1840475Booby-trapped flags are a proud anti-invasion tradition o7
No.1840487
>>1840484Nah they'd all be crying how it's another pogrom and it'd be front page news on WaPo and NYT. Better to let the Zionists come to the protestors, just hope they're better prepared for the next round. Fuck these fascist Zionists pigs.
No.1840490
>>1840487>Nah they'd all be crying how it's another pogrom Maybe they shouldn't have decided to be violent fascists who form mobs and beat peaceful protestors.
>Better to let the Zionists come to the protestors, just hope they're better prepared for the next round. Fuck these fascist Zionists pigs.Fuck that, take the fight to the fascists.
No.1840492
>>1840440<nooo I need video.You fucking zoomed.
Al-Jazeera.
>>1840441>where do u think the news is gettin the stories from?Their journalists/crews on ground
Avast anything from telwitter will be verified and sorted… how many times have you seen misreporting or old news repurposed as BREAKING posted here in the form of twitter screen caps? yet you persist..
If you want to do twitter stuff just go to twitter. Idk why thsts complex or controversial..
No.1840548
>>1840545student activists need to get in contact with the workers who are part of the MIC, ideally through one of the socialist parties involved in the movement
No.1840557
>>1840399I am a zigga and I never thought this? Why are you bringing ziggas into this?
Death to the USA and all her butthurt proxy gremlins (Taiwan, Ukkkraine, Isn'trael)
No.1840561
>>1840399I'm not a zigga but I did say something like that (that a democrat president would quell protests), and I admit I was wrong. I never expected Biden to go full Genocide Joe. Thanks to Hamas, the hand of the empire has been forced and the democrats have had to go mask off. Turns out it was good Biden beat Trump for precisely this reason, since the public is now being turned against both parties. I feel that these are somewhat extenuating circumstances, however, considering that actions of Hamas surprised everybody and threw a wrench into the whole dynamic.
No.1840563
>>1840545Potential? Absolutely.
Guaranteed? No.
No.1840568
Here’s a quick recap from today:
>In the United States, police have arrested 282 students protesting against Israel’s war on Gaza in a raid on New York’s Columbia University and the City College of New York as local authorities paint the crackdown on protesters as a necessity.
<Jewish Voice for Peace has condemned the New York Police Department’s actions against protesting students.
>A Palestinian solidarity encampment at the University of California campus in Los Angeles has been attacked by pro-Israel counterprotesters, and classes have been cancelled.
<University of South Florida police say 10 people have been taken into custody after protests on campus.
>Tulane University Police Department in New Orleans, Louisiana, says at least 14 protesters, including two Tulane students, have been arrested in connection with protests.
<Francesca Albanese, the UN special rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territory, says she has been “horrified by the violent actions of police at US universities smashing protests against an ongoing genocide perpetrated by a foreign country”.
>In South Africa, unions have linked Workers’ Day commemorations to a march in solidarity with Palestinians. Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei says the growing demonstrations are proof that Gaza is the world’s “first issue”.
<Campaigners in London have protested outside the Department for Business and Trade, calling on the UK government to halt arms supplies to Israel.
See what you can learn from the actual news, anons? (:
No.1840587
>>1840399You're right, I didn't think the Biden presidency would be so kino. He was clearly the better candidate, if it wasn't for him then liberals could just blame it all on the orange man.
But don't bring ziggers into this, there's not that many of us in your section of the internet.
No.1840594
>>1840545>"down with stalinism">in japan>while AMERICA and ISRAEL are genociding palestiniansbeyond retarded
these protests are good and i'm glad they're happening, shame to see people like that though
No.1840595
>>1840561those outside variables that can turn the entire situation on its head are EXACTLY why a lot of the prophecizing about outcome of e.g. "a trump presidency will be better for the left in the long run!" etc etc are more an exercise in sports commentary than political analysis. if we dont take unpredictability into account the analysis is always going to fall flat
No.1840603
>>1840545>down with Stalinism!!!And just like that what little sympathy I had for these half baked protests has evaporated. Let the liberal-Zionists and Trotskyite-Zionists kill each other for all I care, to keep them is no benefit and to destroy them is no loss
No.1840608
>>1840545Why are the text on the helmet written in English? They're in Japan, I don't think much of them understand English, compared to the Philippines.
No.1840609
>>1840607I'm pretty sure that was ironic
No.1840612
>>1840608Room temperature autism score
No.1840619
>>1840608>Why are the text on the helmet written in English?Considered Lingua Franca and its a global movement.
English signage is Not an uncommon feature in many Asian countries protests.
No.1840621
>>1840595The problem with taking unpredictability into account is that you can't predict it. In this case, we don't know what a Trump presidency would be giving us right now. We can say that it wouldn't give us the people turning on democrats in the way they are now (but something similar might happen in response to democrats failing to combat Trump). The real issue is we don't and can never know how an alternate path for history would have panned out. We can't say the alternative would be better or worse. We can't even say for sure whether present circumstances will turn out to be good or bad in the long run.
I would contend, however, that it's precisely because of the "outside variables" (radical historical agency) that these kinds of predictions are important to do. "Plans are useless, but planning is indispensable." When you create a map of cause an effect and use it for political forecasts, it can reveal possible points of inflection where the status quo can be overturned. The failure of anybody to predict October 7th has more to do with the extreme marginalization of Gaza, putting the activities of resistance forces behind the fog of war and (reasonable to assume) devastating their material ability to combat the zionist entity and force a conflict like this. The same goes for the Houthis - who expected they could put the Red Sea under siege? Their opportunity for to shake things up was invisible to most people aside from them. One of the understated benefits of a globally active movement is the ability to communicate these things with each other and coordinate to take advantage of and assist with these opportunities and make the most of them.
> more an exercise in sports commentary than political analysisA pretty ill-fitting metaphor considering that sports are constrained in a way that prevents any "outside variables."
No.1840627
>>1840603Protesting in Japan is incredibly difficult. As you can see in this video, there is a policeman guiding the march. The route is planned before hand. It is a little ironic.
I participated in a pro-Palestine march some weeks ago, and it was the same. Cops around us.
No.1840640
>>1840568Now imagine if Cuba did something like this. You would never hear the end of how the state wouldn't be allowed to exist by libs and conservaturds
No.1840650
So are chvds and zionazis going to start showing up to to attack protesters more, or is what happened last night a one time occurrence?
No.1840656
[redacted link]
It seems the redscarepod subreddit thinks the protests are mostly cringe.(DO NOT LINK TO REDDIT POSTS FOR DRAMA)
No.1840670
>>1840627This is standard in most places with an organized police force.
No.1840671
>>1840665>>1840669Unfortunately (Or maybe even fortunately) they mostly effect the politics of big city states and not something like Columbus. They are HUGE in the cities like New York and Seattle though.
No.1840676
>>1840673
>wake me up when these libs bring some rifles. until then this is worthless.
This, lack of organization and long term/emergency planning kills. It's the hippies all over again.
No.1840688
>>1840684
Don't make shit up. It's very obvious to people who actually put in the effort.
No.1840690
>>1840676>>1840673have either of you two ever done anything worth while except bitch on the internet
No.1840692
>>1840684
>deep down they know capitalism benefits them and dont want it to end
projection
No.1840696
>>1840690Consider that the criticism comes from a desire to see these protests succeed, but also recognizes the historic record. Even these students want to achieve anything, anything less than armed resistance will be snuffed out with ease.
Likewise, kneejerk reactions like yours are just enshrining naivety and opportunism.
If I really wanted to bitch I would have pointed out how all these camps is nothing more than bourgeois adventurism that was never meant to achieve anything beyond giving participants happy feelings. No.1840699
This is baiting, anons - Learn from it;
>>1840673>wake me up when these libs bring some rifles. until then this is worthless.>>1840676<This No.1840701
>>1840693
how did it kill your family? legit question
No.1840702
[redacted link]
The asmongold subreddit is also against the protests(DO NOT LINK REDDIT POSTS FOR DRAMA)
No.1840705
>>1840702We've lost the soyface youtube thumbnail guy… IT'S OVER!
No.1840706
>>1840699Where's the bait, retard?
Please inform us how these protest camps could've ended up any other way, considering actions by security apparatuses over the last 200 years.
Fuck, these kids got it easy compared to BLM just 4 years ago.
No.1840709
>>1840690They work in a secret clandestine communist cell which is totally directly connected with China and are like best buddies with Xi Jiping, but it's a seekret so they cant tell you the name. It totally exists though. It just goes to another school. In Canada
No.1840710
>>1840656Welp this aged horribly and it was only posted 23 hours ago lmao. The masses love to see Zionist thugs launch Taekwondo kicks on protestors, no way this won't escalate tensions amirite
No.1840714
>>1840656those stupid racist snow UYGHURS on both the main sub and the alternate rspod are literally just /pol/tards as well (and as another anon astutely called them)
bourgeois cocaine wraiths larping as communists while slowly inching their way towards third positionism
I hate the fucking SNOW uyghurs that post there so much
if you lurk their post histories majority of them are rich kids who went to elite universities who rant about how much they hate the people in the cities they gentrified along with Indian + Latin American immigrant hate threads that are literally just /pol/shit but on reddit
and then these stupid fucking snow UYGHURS will turn around and tell you shit like "oh the working class would be better off if your kind had never come here :)" while pretending to be the architects of some grand socialist movement
literally just Hazoid SNOW uyghurs whose real support for any leftist project shows whenever their Honduran Door Dasher fucks something up and they post a twenty page rant where their stupid vapid cocaine whore friends nod and agree that gig workers should not even br paid wages or something fucking stupid that they probably got off their CIAuyghur parents
"Some of Us LIKED Going To The Parks"
fucking RedScarePosters man,
KILL REDSCAREPOD POSTERSIGNORE REDSCAREPOD POSTERS PUT NAILS ON THEIR MOUNTAIN BIKING PATHPOUR SUGAR INTO THE GAS TANK OF THEIR PARENTS MERCEDESDO NOT ENTERTAIN THESE THIELBOT RUBES FOR EVER FIVE FUCKING MINUTES!!!!
No.1840718
>>1840714thielanon have you considered just not looking at r/redscarepod
No.1840722
>>1840718i am the original thielanon and i only go there every 15 minutes now. They lost their influence to anyone that isn't big city or rich types.
No.1840727
>>1840718I look at it of hatred for them and what they represent: you must know your enemy. The RedScarePod lobby is large and it is numerous, the enemy is everywhere. That tall white guy who cut you in line at a concert merch table? Premeditated Thielbrained intent. I can't really help it that these freaks go out of their way to shit all over anywhere vaguely "left", I wish most of them would realize what they actually want and fuck off to their little proto fascist enclaves
No.1840729
>>1840676>>1840684having guns doesnt mean they will automatically get organization ya fucktard
No.1840732
>>1840656Stupid and disgusting comments, especially ones disgracing the current protestors, and past protestors like those at CHAZ/CHOP and affiliated Socialist Rifle Association members, or John Brown Gun Club members, serving security at the time.
No.1840734
>>1840727I can't tell if you're sincerely insane or if you're parodying /ISG/
No.1840735
>>1840732>>1840734>same generated tripWHO ARE YOU
No.1840736
>>1840735multiple anons across the board are sharing the same tripnames, no idea what the mods have done, why?
No.1840738
And before any of our resident honkies take offense to the term "snow uyghur", there is a world of difference between a snow uyghur and a white person. White people make cool music and teach you English when they're not being weird and racist in a benign, paternalistic fashion. Sometimes they help you out in spite of the massive historical beef between them and the oppressed masses of the Global South
A good example of a snow uyghur is a Zionist. They show up to someone else's country, rape children, snipe elderly women with weapons that cost more than your college tuition, and basically act like literal Abrahamic demons and yet extol their own civility as if they hadn't just hung a toddler off a lamppost. Another example of a snow uyghur is when the KKKrackers in T*xas dismembered a black kid, lit him on fire and kept parts of his body as souvenirs and then made post cards of this stunning display of barbarism to send to their relatives. Another snow uyghur behavior is starting WW2 and getting scores of white and non white people killed and them having the audacity to make up shitty slogans like "No More Brother Wars" despite a near pathological thirst for violence and expansionism.
The best counterexamples of the snow uyghur phenomenon are Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx. They gave the oppressed people's of the Global South the ideological tools to fight against their oppressors, and for that they're probably in heaven if there is one.
No.1840742
>>1840738I take far more offense to the fact that you've convinced yourself that redscarepod is some kind of supervillain secret society and not a micro-niche of hipster losers
No.1840744
>>1840740I'm you from the future anon
No.1840750
>>1840736Just make up your own dumb tendency (or more) to avoid being a copy.
No.1840751
>>1840742Software Engineers deal in abstraction primarily, and the RedScareLobby is an abstraction just like a class or interface. It is not so much a thing as it is a concept that stands in for the mechanisms of white supremacist capitalism, and it is a funnier way to look at an objectively depressing topic, especially if you have the grave misfortune of being a member of The Wretched Of The Earth.
The same kind of prejudices that lead to people lynching Emmett Till still live on, and just like the paranoid schizophrenic sees men in black suits gangsterstalking walking through the bushes, adherents of the "RedScarePodLobby Domination Complex" see the ugliness of Western society peeking through the pinholes in every interaction.
No.1840752
Made a mistake of checking out Reddit on the protests. Biggest mistake of my life.
>”Those kids could be protesting Russia’s invasion of Ukraine instead! America isn’t even involved in Palestine!”
>”Anti western forces are destroying America.”
>”this is all Iran, Russia, and China’s doing!”
>”These kids don’t even realize they’ve been propagandized”
I hate liberals
No.1840753
>>1840751you mean racism?
No.1840754
>>1840752So glad I deleted my account on that shithole lmao
No.1840755
>>1840754I got banned for calling Europeans a bunch of snow monkeys but stick around because of pure masochism.
No.1840758
>>1840752Redditors aren't just liberals
It is the most glowing site in existence
No.1840762
>>1840752reddit is literally a confirmed glow hive and it's openly full of bots. the major subreddits talking about current events are always dogshit. the glow posts are always artificially boosted and the counter-narrative gets buried.
No.1840763
>>1840753Pretty much. RedScarePod posters ate ludicrously racist, and have referred to me as a "barely literate savage" in the past for calling them out on their xenophobia despite claiming to be socialist (Socialism with Nationalist characteristics: obviously brown people cannot grasp the glory of Marxist Leninism, despite brown and yellow people actually having either achieved Marxist states or come close to achieving them while crakkkas *checks notes* shoot student protests and break up air traffic controller strikes to roaring applause and dismantle the Soviet Union)
No.1840769
Cheers, for some reason got banned or blocked, presuming due to name-sharing>>1840750
No.1840773
i'm glad more people are NOOTICING peter thiel tbh
No.1840774
>>1840757The user has a point, it is in a way parody, and injustice towards the student journalists, if not for them, would we have the footage of these protests?
No.1840779
>>1840752It's kind of crazy how hitlerite they are. And they are supposed to be– and probably actually are– the Western political "center".
No.1840785
>>1840765
RSP is the epitome of the hipster -> Fascist pipeline. There is a deep history of this tendency, they merely reaffirm it contemporaneously.
No.1840786
>>1840665I can't imagine a RSP poster supporting any protest at all that wasn't explicitly white nationalist and profoundly misogynist. Their grievance is that there is not yet a swole youth fascist wing out there and they are stuck with the electric scooter/frumpy nerd/light-worker alliance which is just not the vibe.
No.1840788
>>1840785Also, one of the hosts, Ana, is an open scientific racist and a complete pseudo intellectual. The problem with hipsters most generally is that they severely overestimate their own individuality and intellect, the whole notion orients around the insistence that *I must be special compared to the 'masses'*, it is an abstraction equivalent to artisocratic thinking.
No.1840789
>>1840773Thiel, like Soros, is just some other freak who wants to influence culture so he feels safer. As long as the haute bourgeois exist in the information age, we'll have these people. No individual one of them is special. Their infowar bullshit is just culture war spectacle and has minimal influence on the actual class war, because they believe their own dumb bullshit and think ideology is more important than material conditions.
No.1840790
>>1840789I think that ideology does relate to material conditions in a bidirectional sense but of course from a Marxian perspective it cannot override and redirect the base. What it does do, however, and somewhat effectively, is stultify and stall the inevitable acceleration of the material conditions which will intrinsically undo capitalism.
No.1840793
Japan derangement syndrome is real, one fucking Trot and twitter clamors for a third nuke.
No.1840794
This is a crazy comment to make, these are perfectly reasonable and good, guidelines and rules to have at a protest.
Myself, previously attending generally protest marches, I've not seen these sorts of rules and guidelines before, I think it is well done, and shows organization, from other images of encampments, I have seen people in high-vis vests, meaning there are protest marshals, and possibly some sort of command structure.
If there are rules, there must be someone to enforce those rules, or the people at said protest to enforce together, this is showing to me, organization, it's showing structure and coherence.
No.1840796
>>1840738>The best counterexamples of the snow uyghur phenomenon are Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx<Karl MarxSwarthy…
No.1840797
>>1840735It doesn't matter who we are. What matters is our plan.
No.1840798
>>1840786i cannot imagine there being a swole fascist movement because fags who want to join those movements do so in order to siphon masculinity through priest-like repetition of memes. Actually fit people would just not care, join a cause for their own personal benefit or become criminals. Idealism is mostly for dyels
No.1840799
>no substances
other than this potentially being ableist for people who have a medical condition, these are fine lol
No.1840801
>>1840796KARL MARX WAS NOT SWARTHY AND LASALLE WAS A Jewish nigger!!! KARL MARX WAS RACIST BUT IN AN UNDERSTANDABLE WAY! IF YOU TELEPORTED HIS ASS TO TODAY'S TIME HE WOULD BE THE LEAST RACIST MOTHERFUCKER IN THE ROOM WITHIN 5 MINUTES OF WITNESSING THE DEPRAVITY OF THE REDSCAREPODLOBBY!!!!!
ENGELS PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE "sex with Chel Dorado…" AND BECOME A STAUNCH ANTI RACIST!!!
No.1840802
>>1840799>other than this potentially being ableist for people who have a medical conditionLol, you retard.
No.1840804
>>1840794>organization, it's showing structure and coherence.This is anathema to the American way of life
No.1840808
>>1840798To be honest Fascists do encourage their members to work out. It just usually focuses on aesthetic muscles rather than more practical strength training. Heavy roid use too.
By contrast, /fit/ style leftists are rare enough that police remarked they were surprised when they arrested that Maoist body builder in Germany because usually it’s the far right that gets a bunch of meatheads.
No.1840809
>>1840808Love it when dumb cunts on here expose they don't leave the house. Bonus points for having a flag to complete the roleplay.
No.1840811
Even for a board that's already overrunning with morons, this topic really brings out the most retarded.
No.1840812
>>1840351This reminds me of the autumn of 1978
No.1840813
>>1840808lol
Gymbros are typically either apolitical or more left-leaning. You can't successfully weight train if you have the lack of self-control and humility associated with being a right winger. Those types of people are prone to immediately trying to lift too much weight and getting injured.
No.1840815
>>1840809I mean there’s plenty of thuggish neo Nazis in Simi Valley, so…
No.1840818
https://nitter.poast.org/ansiwen/status/1782427219085652223#mA great video, shows how the students are all working together, to get rid of these small counter-protestors.
No.1840821
>>1840714>>1840727You're correct on your assessment, the redscare subreddit is full of bratty suburbanites. I remember a thread on there where users were smugly laughing at how wealthy African immigrants treat working class Black-Americans like shit. There was another thread which was deleted where they were complaning about Chicanos protesting against gentrification in Boyle Heights.
No.1840823
>>1840820
Sure they could have beat the shit out of him, they showed mercy.
Would you rather they face police action, via justification of so-called 'assault'.
No.1840826
https://nitter.poast.org/BillMelugin_/status/1785742010139488524#mAn interesting list of needs for the UCLA protestors, again another sign of organization among the student movement, they recognise certain things will be needed for their struggle, especially: Helmets, Gasmasks, Shields and Umbrellas, this show they are ready for defence to some capacity.
No.1840827
>>1840821They piss me too but the best solution is to ignore them. The fuck are they gonna do, get off their phones or stop going to shitty overpriced bars and restaurants in Dimes Square to act as fascist stormtroopers? These retards won't do shit and they know it. Instead all support should be going protestors, donate to student groups like SJP and local chapters, or directly donate helmets, respirators, etc. It's only gonna get more spicy (I hope)
No.1840829
>>1840825Take a look at this clip, it is from Kwame Ture, I bet you would highly agree with it, and believe it is functional and useful, would you think so for the students now?
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4942169/user-clip-kwame-ture-revolution(genuine, not rhetorical question).
No.1840830
>>1840818Alternative plan: Mace these retards and when the zio freikorps turn up pelt them with rocks
No.1840831
>>1840828
It's the USA. Cops see any of those and they start blasting.
No.1840834
>>1840813I mean I saw the Patriot Front dox and there were plenty of pics of them working out and showing off muscle. It’s really not hard to find right wingers who workout and build muscle. Yes they’re broadly cringe and weak, but let’s not pretend there isn’t an obsession with “aesthetics” that a few take seriously enough to work out.
No.1840835
>>1840828
I hope you're joking. But if Zionists insist on escalation then protestors should follow the Iranian method and let the enemy show their hand first. There's about fifty levels of escalation you get go through before you even discuss firearms. Asymmetrical tactics are key.
No.1840836
>>1840831All evidence points to the opposite
No.1840837
>>1840828
They aren't getting ready for armed struggle, this is a protest movement among students, workers, ordinary people of many backgrounds, for the freedom of Palestine.
In the future will communists need, arms and what you are saying, for freedom from wage-slavery, history has shown the truth, we both know, but right now? no.
No.1840839
>>1840830this is realistic.
No.1840841
>>1840829When did CSPAN start allowing user videos?
>would you think [this strategy would be useful] for the students now?NTA but yes. And fortunately at least we see some signs of organizing.
Also it's very funny how as soon as Ture answers the question about how much violence is necessary, and he says whatever it takes to destroy the enemy, they put "Harlem, NY" up on the screen. So subtle lol. "The black people are gonna get you, whitey!"
No.1840843
>>1840837If they aren't getting ready for armed struggle then they are adventurist libs who are protesting to make themselves feel good and nothing else
No.1840845
>>1840837>this is a protest movement among students, workers, ordinary people of many backgroundswait its a fucking interclassist protest???????????????????????
No.1840846
>>1840836If you have some kind of militia organization that scares away the cops, yeah. In this scenario where you have a largely unorganized body of student protesters, it would be hard to get people to start carrying weapons in a way that was ordered and disciplined and could avoid provoking cops to start shooting. If you just have one or two bring out rifles, then the snipers can just take them out and say they stopped a mass shooter or something like that.
>>1840832You need a lot of guns and organized gunners to win a firefight with the cops. Tagging a few cops before being gunned down yourself is pointless. The encampments are also not usually in a very defensible location once gunfights are on the table. And whoever wins, if lead starts flying most of the casualties will be student protesters, because a lot of noncombatants would get caught in the crossfire. Turning this movement into a militant one would need to be carefully negotiated to avoid it becoming a bloodbath.
No.1840848
>>1840690>post your creds on an anonymous communist imageboard or you cant analyze anythingfed moment
No.1840855
>>1840846The protesters outnumber the pigs 100 to 1 or more and most pigs are armed with nothing but pistols. A single squad with rifles could take on dozens of police easily.
No.1840857
>>1840855i dont want to get into the "guns or no guns" discourse regarding a protest that is clearly not communist but this is true, no police force is actually equipped and trained to deal with a massive uprising
No.1840858
>>1840855bro are you retarded? if you kill a cop it just summons more cops, they're like bees. unless you have a plan to kill all of them it's pointless
No.1840859
>>1840843Isn't it funny, how what you are saying, is exactly an adventurist tactic, relative to right now, the SRA is not involved etc… this isn't CHOP/CHAZ.
The armed route, although the questions around it are interesting, and who knows in the future, as of right now, it doesn't seem realistically viable,
No.1840860
>>1840859>this isn't CHOP/CHAZthats not a bad thing lol
No.1840864
>>1840858Good. More cops means more dead enemies. The people outnumber the pig thousands to one. They cannot win if we actually fight back.
No.1840865
>>1840855Cops have more than just pistols, and they love any excuse they can find to bring in the heavy equipment.
No.1840866
>>1840864the point is actually organising the people in order to fight back.
No.1840867
>>1840860I agree, it is not a bad thing, CHOP/CHAZ was positive for what it was, there was stark similarities and differences with the Paris commune, there are lesson to be learned from both.
I'm using CHOP/CHAZ to illustrate the example, of how those protestors were armed, and had armed organizations cooperating within, contrastingly the student protestors are largely peaceful and defensive in their actions, this suits their encampment method.
No.1840871
>>1840865You can literally buy the exact same weapons swat teams have. They can, at best, match your arms and even then only with their most elite officers. The average rank and file pig is easily outgunned by anyone with an AR-15.
We both outnumber and outgun the pigs. Defeating them would be trivially easy if anyone really tried
No.1840872
>>1840871no, defeating them would be easy if literally tens of millions of people tried.
No.1840873
how does this end?
No.1840878
>>1840813>Gymbros are typically either apolitical or more left-leaningIts true that lifting is just a normal person thing and its ridiculous when liberals act like its something a reactionary magnet, but saying that leftists are overrepresented among liberals is delusional. trust me, i wish it were true
No.1840880
>>1840820
>>1840825
>>1840828
>>1840832
This guy is like Laser-Anon II.
No.1840882
>>1840351Why is American cracker police so loyal to Zionism depute the latter shitting on them on the regular?
No.1840884
>>1840867>CHOP/CHAZ was positive for what it was, there was stark similarities and differences with the Paris commune, there are lesson to be learned from both.no there fucking was not, you need to reevulate things and go back and look at what the facts on the ground were. the fact that people still talking about fucking "CHAZ" instead of the organization of food and housing distrubution in protester-occupied minneapolis or even the homeless encampments in philly makes my blood boil, it shows the grip that liberal social media spectacle has on the left that dismissiveness towards the george floyd protests cites fucking "CHAZ", defense of the george floyd protests cites fucking "CHAZ", jesus, people need to get their heads out of their ass and stop uncritically thinking in memes
https://matcomindpol.home.blog/2020/06/16/philadelphia-homeless-build-their-own-hope/ No.1840885
>>1840461I don't think any exist anymore.
No.1840888
>>1840843and you are a retarded adventurist, your ideas would bring down the full force of the US state on a movement that actually has positive momentum right now, in the absence of any mass base, any alternate infrastructure, any networks of trained cadre
https://youtu.be/uoRV3LeD_BE?si=VkerCs3PY0LZlS8M No.1840892
>>1840884Alright, maybe you are right, It was a specific reference with encampent tactics, and yes it is a bit spectacle for me to focus on CHAZ/CHOP, I could have used better examples like you have.
But truthfully, yes the george floyd protests, especially, with the encirclement of minneapolis police department, was very organized, very coordinated, in the moment; an example that is good from the unicornriot documentaries, is of protestors acting as human shields, while people behind them at a distance, would throw projectiles like rocks at the police to move them back, while the human shields allowed non-targeting from the police.
https://invidious.poast.org/watch?v=N8TEJt-eZo4 No.1840894
<that one anon repeatedly whining about guns and willing the students and profs to violently escelate to bait
Can you people not?
No.1840899
<that one anon repeatedly whining about guns and willing the students and profs to violently escelate to bait
Can you people not?
No.1840900
>>1840890>smart,logical response<It's because the anarchists are on their side, they are Porky's strongest soldiers.bruh. source lol. pretty sure anarchists hve had jus as influential effect elsewhere, this is jus a PNW shithole issue.
but that doesn't make
>>1840884 response any less real tho, that shit was an idpol nightmare. does anyone in thread hve a pic of the POC-only community garden? ik its a rightoid meme, but still makes me lol.
No.1840901
>>1840884Looking up, the examples you cited, these are good examples, apologies, and again I was citing CHAZ/CHOP relative to encampment, and specifically the issue of arms, which really can't be applied right now.
A good video on George Floyd Square.
https://invidious.poast.org/watch?v=B6xLFrBRHag&list=PLhO_NX0M3_7hLBW4kRbDTNvnHl8BsN6-f&index=5 No.1840903
>>1840892i remember and those were good tactics, but the goals are different here in some positive ways – protestors are demanding divestment of the universities from israel, a specific demand that can be met, and the longer they can hold out and keep the pressure on, the better chance they have of succeeding. while they should defend themselves to the full whenever necessary, it seems like they understand that direct confrontation with cops and counterprotestors are not a winning strategy here, and that escalation should consist of occupation of buildings and widening the scale
No.1840904
>>1840901>>1840903i think overall we are in agreement, i apologize for being so hostile
No.1840905
>>1840903>it's "good" because the demands are "realistic" under a liberal frameworkcome on
No.1840907
>>1840903Agreed the situation is different here, as I was saying to another anon, this is a protest movement of students with their encampment, and the wider protest movement among workers and ordinary people, coming out and sacrificing their weekends, for the people of Palestine.
It wouldn't make sense to escalate, what has been largely, a peaceful and defensive protest movement for palestine, and yeah the demands are realistic, and will be achievable among their universities, when I have protested with my uni a few months ago, it has been long lmao, we made demands of divestment etc..
No.1840908
>>1840906like 50% of young people go to college dipshit
No.1840910
>>1840908>students have not yet come into direct possession of their middle class or bourgeois family's assets and property, which enables them to be 'radical' in their youth until they settle down in life and acquire these causing their faux-radicalism to evaporateCool, and?
No.1840911
>>1840906You ignore the numerous amount of, working class students, who will fall into debt, especially in the US, it is a little easier for those in Europe, but that debt remains for the rest of our lives if not most.
No.1840912
>>1840905not the point. it is good that there are tangible demands that could technically be met BECAUSE they arent going to be met and the colleges are sending in cops instead. as much as ill defend to the hilt protesting/rioting over police brutality, theres something especially effective about being able to point to a demand that is perfectly realistic at the same time the administration is cracking skulls to stop the conversation from even happening. it reveals, in an especially visceral way to the protestors and in a smaller but still significant way to people watching it from the outside, that these are brutal institutions that have no interest whatsoever in the cushy ideals of free speech and democracy, they just let people bleat about that when it doesnt amount to anything. more specifically the brutality of the response reveals just how linked the institutions of the US bourgeois are to the zionist project.
No.1840913
>>1840884TBH there have so much more interesting, longer and expansive TAZ's/ZAD's than CHAZ that CHAZ mentions very easily flag that someone does not know what they're talking about wrt Occupation strategy and have a superficial spectacular understanding of these things.
No.1840917
>>1840906yes cool but in the west most ppl hve to go to college to get a job. i can't speak for the ivies, but state schools and community colleges're mostly kids jus goin thru it to get a job. ik that's what my mum and dad were. i'm a tradie myself, but i see this is the case.
>If these protests were led by proletarians things might go different…nah bruh, as
>>1840903 said, these protestors aren't jus demandin an end to Israeli apartheid- they callin for an end to colleges funding ties to Israel. its a set condition that can be easily met, and its only happenin at their schools. their ain´t nobody *but* the students that can do somethin in this case.
but otherwise, why tf would the burger-prole give a shit about Israel? all my coworkers is spics, and mostly dominican, they don't give a fuck.
No.1840918
>>1840911We need to analyze students as they are today, not as they might be in the future.
No.1840923
>>1840917At least you aren't pretending the protests are related to communism. Not even being sarcastic, I'm also for Israel to stop murdering proletarians, but let's call things as they are.
No.1840924
>>1840920
>i'm a tradie myself
GANG GANG
No.1840925
>>1840919
real!!! r u even a leftist tho? this is a convo bout college protests against Israel
No.1840926
>>1840919
real!!! r u even a leftist tho? this is a convo bout college protests against Israel
No.1840927
>>1840922
>They are losing the public relations battle. But how could they? They have been supremely adept at public relations for decades, but now it is all slipping away? Such does not make any sense, unless it is by design.
It only doesn't make sense if you are a /pol/tard who ascribes supernatural powers to Israel and "the Jews."
No.1840931
>>1840919
wow, the jews are so powerful! amazing that no one else has found a way to utilize this kind of 5D chess perfect intra-group cohesion on such a huge geographic and historical scale, it almost sounds impossible! but since you say its real i can only be impressed
No.1840932
>>1840928
thank you for your contribution
No.1840934
How much more can this escalate
No.1840936
>>1840929
>or by your jewish Marxist professors/handlers
Unfortunately I can't tell if this is banter or are actually insane and believe it.
No.1840937
>>1840913Aren't Temporary Autonomous Zones, or Zones to Defend, similar to Soviets, Communes or other forms of occupation protest?
No.1840938
>>1840929
very funny considering your shithole board has been a fed infested honeypot full of drooling retards for almost a decade now. kind of shame, /pol/ used to at least have some entertaining schizos
No.1840940
>>1840929
>No. I'm from /pol/. I just popped in to see how you guys were reacting to the latest current events on campus.
welcome bra, doesn't it feel good to be truly anonymous again?
>And to spread some info that you probably don't get taught here or by your jewish Marxist professors/handlers
true, btw all ur fave authors are pedophiles. who cares tho? the right nvr gave a shit abou savin kids. read siege tho broski!!
No.1840941
what the fuck are you doing misato? We're having a conversation.
No.1840945
>>1840941you are responding to /pol/ bait and derailing the thread
No.1840953
>>1840794volcel vanguard volcel vanguard
>>1840828escalating to firearms this early is likely a mistake. I suggest sticks, pointy or otherwise
No.1840954
>>1840794>Myself, previously attending generally protest marches, I've not seen these sorts of rules and guidelines before<DON'T TALK TO THE MEDIALessons learned from Occupy really. One of the ideas behind the structureless nature of OWS was that having no organization was that it wouldn't be co-opted, but what ended up happening is that the media would stick a camera in any random face and appoint that person as your representative for you.
>>1840859>bro are you retarded? if you kill a cop it just summons more cops, they're like bees.GTA rules. When you get up to 5 stars they endlessly respawn.
No.1840957
>>1840954yeah. GTA is theory, if you kill enough tanks in RL they start just sending tanks and dropping bombs on you.
No.1840963
>>1840960doesn't it also have to pass through the Senate? also, notice how fast they are with this
No.1840966
>>1840963it's not like that will be an issue. America is literally ZOG
No.1840971
>>1840937https://www.uua.org/re/tapestry/adults/resistance/workshop8/182449.shtmlReading upon TAZ, I realize there are some issues with it, especially the, promoting of an one-and-done experience, according to this one article, however I understand the temporary part of TAZ is debated.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/reed/1918/soviets.htmAnd reading upon, soviets, and especially the idea of dual power in relation, these seem more strategic or tactical, and more viable.
No.1840972
>>1840960This sounds like an escalation, on the part of the senate.
Does this give even more of a prerogative, for the police to be even more violent?
No.1840973
>>1840970that's like saying isis should bomb israel
neo-nazis walk hand in hand with zionists, one of the biggest donors to azov was a israeli jew
No.1840974
>>1840966it's the other way around
No.1840976
>>1840941y'all can't behave, if you don't like it make your own subreddit
No.1840978
>>1840976This point might have made some sense if this weren't /leftypol/.
No.1840980
>>1840973>that's like saying isis should bomb israelNo, it isn't.
I understand separatists have a shared goal, but that's not relevant here. A notable part of US neo-Nazism wants to (and occasionally does) shoot synagogues. Boogbois would love to see le left and le jew escalate.
No.1840981
Those Zionazi counter protesters are absolute subhuman swine. In case you needed more evidence that Zionism is fascism, look no further than UCLA. All Zionists are Nazis and should be treated as such.
No.1840985
>>1840980>A notable part of US neo-Nazism wants to (and occasionally does) shoot synagoguesand zionists want to spread antisemitism and fear within jews outside of israel
yes? those two groups work together for a reason
No.1840986
>>1840896I fucking hate these people so much it's unreal
No.1840990
>>1840981>All Zionists are Nazis and should be treated as such.This is your brain on liberal namecalling.
Zionists act like Nazis and work with Nazis, but that's not what they are. They're Zionists, and that in itself should hold your disgust as much as a Nazi does.
No.1840994
>>1840985I just told you, I'm aware they have a shared interest. But neo-Nazis (especially small groups and 'lone wolves') can and do kill random jewish people. They're not going to ally with zionists over their mutual interest, they're too simplistic for that kind of politics. Go ask /pol/'s nazi thread if they'd work with a Zionist
No.1840998
>>1840992No,
classification.
No.1841002
>>1840974BOG - burger occupied government
No.1841003
>>1840992oh yeah we should just be like Qtards who call everyone liberal marxist anarchist jews. words have no meaning amirite
No.1841006
>>1840994>But neo-Nazis (especially small groups and 'lone wolves') can and do kill random jewish peopleand zionists don't care about random jewish people, just like white supremacists don't care about random white people who are killed in their attacks
how many white children did that breivik guy kill again?
>They're not going to ally with zionists over their mutual interestit doesn't matter if the synagogue shooter himself is a zionist or not, the people who push white supremacism are the same people who push zionism
No.1841008
>>1841006 (me)
to clarify even further: yes of course a /pol/tard won't say he's for zionism, but it doesn't matter, that guy has 0 impact in the real world
the people who finance all the propaganda that /pol/tard consumes are also behind zionist propaganda
No.1841011
>>1841003except it's not being a Qtard, because Zionists actually are fascists. They are Jewish fascists. Is it better if I call them fascist instead of literally Nazis? Qtards will call a centrist Democrat a commie because they're retarded. I'm calling Zionists fascists/Nazis because the ultimate end goal is the same.
No.1841016
>>1841006>zionists don't care about random jewish peopleYes they do, they are a Jewish ethno supremacists, that doesn't mean that they wont silence/kill Jews that speak out against them just as Apartheid South Africa persecuted whites who spoke out against them. The only similarity between Nazism and Zionism is that they are racial supremacists and they view each other as inferior and posting a random picture of a sub 80 autism score Ukrainian does not change what Nazism is.
No.1841017
>>1841011>Is it better if I call them fascist instead of literally Nazis?Yes.
It might seem small or pedantic but that's the difference between sounding insane and sounding correct.
No.1841018
>>1840974They're basically the same country. Bibi is from fucking Pennsylvania of all places and almost every US politician is on Israel's payroll.
No.1841021
>>1841011>I'm calling Zionists fascists/Nazis because the ultimate end goal is the same.I see where you're coming from, but I hope you'd call me out if I called anarchists 'stalinists' and vice versa because ultimately the common communist aim is a stateless classless society.
No.1841022
>>1840974imagine actually believing this
No.1841026
>>1841022Something has gone terribly wrong when you can no longer back out of supporting your vassal because your vassal has successfully bought off your entire political structure. Not sure if there is any precedence for this which is why people struggle to categorize it.
No.1841027
>>1841016>>zionists don't care about random jewish people>Yes they do, they are a Jewish ethno supremacistsNobody got more white people killed than the nazis.
No.1841030
>>1841028>saying this while complaining that leftists say you're just as badlol
lmao
No.1841033
>>1841027>Nazis were white supremacists They considered half of Europe to be subhuman, they weren't exactly white supremacists rather than German ones.
No.1841035
>>1841016>Yes they do, they are a Jewish ethno supremacists,For Zionists "Jews" have to reside in Israel. If not, at best you're an asset to be used. At worst you're just another anti semitic target for mossad.
No.1841036
>>1841028These are the same people baffled the KPD hated the SPD (cue "for no reason at all!"), as they launch headfirst into the same behavior
>ivy league subhumansCool it with the antisemitic remarks
No.1841037
>>1841028has to be a troll starting shit, no-one could possibly be this blatantly hypocritical with a straight face.
No.1841041
>>1840960>>1840977no replies to my cool meme :( so sad :(
anywayz this is the bill in questin. wtf is this. actual garbage of a bill, and the pathos go crazy and makes up like 60% of the argumnt. wut're our thoughts?
No.1841042
>>1841037One of the Reddit comments I mentioned said there’s no point in protesting on campuses because America “isn’t involved” in the Palestine conflict, but also those students should protest Russia’s war in Ukraine instead:
No.1841044
>>1841026There's no term for it because every single media outlet is in the pocket of Israel too. If it's not in the news then it doesn't exist to 90% of people.
No.1841045
>>1841028My man has balls signing that off with his real email address lol
No.1841047
>>1841041Oh it's a good meme, I just thought I had seen it before
No.1841048
>>1841026>why people struggle to categorize itThey don't call it a Zionist Occupied Government for nothing
No.1841049
>>1841045Not really. I bet you haven't even made a temporary mailbox to send them anal vore drawings yet.
No.1841050
>>1841045Not really. I bet you haven't even made a temporary mailbox to send them anal vore drawings yet.
No.1841052
>>1841049I'm too lazy but I'm sure someone will
No.1841054
>>1841041The aim is to criminalize dissent against Israel. Call Israel racist? Lose your job
Say that they are killing thousands? That's antisemitism
No.1841057
>>1841054Wow this vassal may be so important that it's actually more important than America itself
No.1841058
>>1841026Nature offers many analogies, but they are far from pleasing to the disembodied bourgeoisie. One that comes to mind is dogs stuck together after mating.
>>1841028Isn't he a lawyer?
I wonder whether class isn't the more salient factor than self-identification. I think Marx wrote rather a lot on that actually
>>1841030Look if you're not going to put the entire social-constructive class into something harsher than gulags on day one, you're going to lose.
No.1841060
>>1841057States help each other casually violate their social contracts all the time. It's part of the point of the structure.
No.1841061
>>1841054I don't know how burgers tolerate this shit lmao, you have your congress passing laws to protect the interests of a foreign nation faster than any other bill.
No.1841063
>>1841060Israel isn't helping America
No.1841066
>>1841061Well bourgeois democracy is bullshit, it's not a suprise that the politicians don't represent the people
No.1841068
>>1841054>>1841061Genuinely how the fuck does this happen?
We’re passing through bills to make it verbotten to criticize some worthless, smarmy, tiny fucking country with a smaller population than my city
Pissrahell would be dead in a day without American aid, why can’t this parasitic country just fucking die already?
No.1841070
>>1841054>claims of jews killing jesusthat literally happened though, in real life and in the bible
No.1841071
>>1841063A forward base in the oil districts isn't as important as it once was, but Israeli engineers aren't complete slouches.
https://restofworld.org/2021/inside-israels-lucrative-and-secretive-cybersurveillance-talent-pipeline/ No.1841072
>>1841068Because they bought out your entire government and media.
No.1841077
>>1841071This is just standard Five Eyes shit and nothing to do with them recently openly violating the constitution, and for what? A forward base that convinces everyone to bomb you and turf you out? Potentially getting your puppets overthrown on the way? And gets your most reliable allies banned from the Suez? For a forward base you've never launched attacks from? Even more comically the only US bases in Israel are recent additions to help defend Israel. And even when it comes to intelligence sharing Israel is constantly selling on US secrets.
No.1841081
>>1841061I'm fucking telling you people, I've worked around working class middle-americans for most of my life, and the VAST MAJORITY of them are bread-and-circuses retards. Everyone on the left wants to pretend everyone is created equal and everyone has the same intellectual potential. Regardless of your views on eugenics, the average american is completely brainwashed by The Powers That Be. You have to understand, for the average podunk burger, the United States is not A country, it's THE country, and Israel is her ever tortured and subjugated innocent ally. In the factories of hundreds I've worked in, I've found 3 people total that I felt were "awake" (i.e. ostensibly not philosophical zombies) and who could think critically about topics and issues both small and local, and global. Sure, I will concede that in a utopian world, there would be a lot more intelligent workers, but I truly have come to believe that the modern worker is effectively a mindless slave of the ZOG. I'm sorry. Feel free to form your own opinions; trust me, I hope I'm wrong and this is relegated only to my midwest area, but I have little hope left.
No.1841084
>>1841081This has been true everywhere forever as long as the country is relatively stable and there's food on the table. Russians were mostly a bunch of drunk religious conservatives until the Tsar went full retard and massacred a bunch of people.
No.1841087
>>1841041Replace "Jew" with "Chinese" and "Israel" with "China". Suddenly, it's not a problem in the eyes of Congress.
No.1841088
>>1841084Right, but I would argue even then they didn't have flashing screens everywhere subliminally and explicitly messaging them. I do wholeheartedly believe that the numerical majority of Americans would happily take up arms and fight to the death against any socialist revolution, NO MATTER what information comes out about the evils of their oppressors. It would take years and years of focused counter-propaganda to even being to tip that scale back, and such an endeavor wouldn't be uncontested. In my experience, they'll simply cast any anti-capitalist rhetoric aside as Chinese/Russian/George Soros/Insert-Enemy-of-the-Year lies.
No.1841094
>>1841016>posting a random picture of a sub 80 autism score Ukrainian does not change what Nazism isI think a lot of this neo-Nazism (especially in its trolling form) is like a corporate ideology for mercenaries and contract killers who promote a cult of war because war is their business, but I'm not sure that's the same thing as the Third Reich because we live in a different world nowadays. There are guys who fight as contract soldiers for the Russian army who have Nazi tattoos and were involved in far-right MMA stuff. I can post pics of them. I'm not trying to start some shit about this but there are just people like this who fight on different sides (including both sides) during wars nowadays. But that doesn't make Russians = Nazis. I mean, this guy is? You can say that much.
>>1841033>They considered half of Europe to be subhuman, they weren't exactly white supremacists rather than German ones.The Nazis did consider themselves part of the white race, but one of their core beliefs was human inequality as the only universal truth, fundamentally, so different groups of white people were not the same. Germans were also not all equal. The Fuhrer is better and superior to everyone else and that's why he's the boss.
>>1841068>Pissrahell would be dead in a day without American aid, why can’t this parasitic country just fucking die already?I doubt that Israel would just roll over without American aid. The Israelis might eventually be destroyed but not without killing a lot of people. I met one ex-IDF guy (in college) who grew up in Russia and was a teenage Dynamo Moscow hooligan. Look at those guys who attacked the camp at UCLA. People like that are real and they're definitely willing to use violence, they like violence.
No.1841096
>>1841088furthermore, "Communism" is practically a curse word, at least among the older generations. I've had people actually fucking spit on the ground at the sound of it. I desperately wish to be free one day, but I cannot fathom how it could ever happen here without extreme catastrophe and destruction – something to truly level western civilization, and even then you'd have opportunistic nations and bad actors flying in from all corners of the earth to pick the spoils and claim land.
No.1841103
>>1841097why are cops so fucking brutal
No.1841106
>>1841103Is this a rhetorical question?
No.1841107
>>1841103Because unlike the 2020 blm protests where cops took a knee, these protests actually offend a real power center in the USA
No.1841108
>>1841105In this case far right nationalism for another country, not their own
No.1841110
>>1841107You're dishonest or have bad memory if you don't recall the amount of police crackdown the BLM protests faced.
No.1841111
>>1841108Its far right nationalism for their fake skydaddies favorite people, who aren't them. Evangelicals have no right to call other people cucks.
No.1841112
>>1841110Lol. Lmao, even.
No.1841113
>>1841111Exactly. All Abrahamists are demented lunatics. If I had a time machine I'd travel back in time and shoot that schizo psychopath Abraham in the face - assuming he ever existed that is.
No.1841116
>>1840545I absolutely think this has the possibility to turn into something big. I've been practically shaking all day from this.
No.1841119
>>1840545>caused by capitalismNot sure that zionist fascism and terrorism by die hard genocidal zionists can really be defined as "caused by capitalism"
No.1841122
>>1841120Most likely. Hence this clause
>assuming he ever existed that is.The question then arises who exactly to go back and assassinate in order to nip all Abrahamic creeds in the bud and at source
No.1841142
>>1841122Yeah I realized after I fetched the screenshot, still worth posting for the comedy of the entire thing coming full circle
No.1841153
Fuck Zionists, fuck pigs.
No.1841158
>>1841140>muh miniscule examples in 4 straight months of fiery protestsLmao. Roflmfao, even. Cope.
No.1841160
>>1841142>still worth posting for the comedy Granted
No.1841165
>>1841158You're coping and malding. Seething even.
No.1841186
>>1841110We've seen politicians and cops kneel in front of BLM supporters.
There obviously was some crack down where there were literal riots with cars on fire, yes.
But otherwise BLM had fucking massive institutional support. We've seen the NASDAQ stock exchange tweet that "Black Lives Matter", but I don't think they've done the same in support of Gaza, have they?
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>>1841165No u.
Blm had widespread neoliberal establishment support in government, corporate, academic and media institutions despite rather fiery protests and billions in property damage across a sustained 4/5 month period
Police response was muted and softly,softly in most cases despite a few exceptions. Cops were told to stand down in numerous cases and in many incidents took a knee themselves.
Compare to now.
Very mild tame protests by comparison in most cases ie university sit ins by students in genuinely protest
Result? BOOM full overt force of the State cracking skulls and criminalising protesters
The difference is stark, blatant and right in your face. The reason is obvious to anyone with a brain
>>1841107Because unlike the 2020 blm protests these protests actually offend a real power center in the USA
Simple as
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>>1841188genuinely peaceful* protest
No.1841191
>>1841186>We've seen politicians and cops kneel in front of BLM supporters.Yeah the cops kneeling for photos, the same cops that would beat the protesters even right afterwards. You're a fucking rube dude or maybe just a zoomer who wasn't even politically conscious as recently as four years ago..
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>>1841188>>1841189Dumbass has motor memory from typing fiery but peaceful protest a billion fucking times lmao
No.1841197
>>1841191power requires both coercion and consent
idpol is a bourgeois invention
No.1841198
>>1841193There's not going to be a revolution here, don't hold your breath for that. But I do think busting Israel's balls enough to get them to stop their genociding is within reach, or at least enough to get them to pay some consequences for it.
No.1841203
>>1841193The anger wasn't nearly as strong as during Vietnam, while the communist movement was much stronger and labour more organised than nowadays, it still wasn't enough for revolution by a long shot.
Don't be overly optimistic.
No.1841205
>>1841191Why are they not kneeling in front of pro-Palestine protesters for photos?
No.1841207
>>1841193I wouldn't be so hopeful. I see an Ottoman style collapse as being more likely.
No.1841208
>>1841186you gotta understand how large this country is, in some parts the police showed (either genuinely or cynically) sympathy with (some) of the protestors demands in others they pushed over 70 year olds for standing
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>>1841205"Take a knee" for Palestine isn't a thing.
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>>1841209Yeah we can clearly see that.
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>>1841191>>1841196Stunning rebuttals
You seem remarkably motivated to deny the real power held by the zionist fascist faction in the USA
No.1841213
>>1841211Deflection, zogbots going ape at pro-Pali protesters doesn't mean BLM was whatever gay little fantasy you have, which I cannot be bothered scrolling back up to remind myself of
No.1841214
>>1841158>>1841188This is literally hours of clips. Multiple studies have shown that BLM protests were overwhelmingly peaceful, you rightoid retard!
Fucking kys.
https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/ No.1841215
>>1841211>You seem remarkably motivated to deny the real power held by the zionist fascist faction in the USAActually you fucking retard, I'm deconstructing your conception that the BLM protests didn't also challenge power. It has no bearing on these current protests one way or the other. Another point I didn't make was that Palestine is much less popular than (at least stated) opposition to police brutality or racism.
No.1841216
>>1841198BDS needs to make a concerted comeback
Tame requests for a ceasefire is not good enough
No.1841222
>>1841213Seething cope
>>1841214>BLM protests were overwhelmingly peacefulCorrect - but NOT as peaceful as Free Palestine university sit ins
Now compare the BLATANT difference in levels of State repression and propaganda from the establishment
>>1841215>Actually Holy kek
>Palestine is much less popular than (at least stated) opposition to police brutality or racism.Hmmmm I wonder why that could possibly be
Painfully low insight poster - or simply just a zionist apologist and AIPAC shill
No.1841224
>>1841216That movement got killed by anti-BDS laws everywhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_lawsYou cannot endorse BDS and do any business with any sort of government institution. And since in "capitalist" America, a good half of the spending comes in one way or another from the government, you're screwed.
This includes companies like payment processors (Paypal, etc.), web hosting companies, etc. that would facilitate collecting funds or advertising for such BDS organizations and causes.
So you're still free to say "down with Israel" but you can't really do much beyond that.
No.1841229
>>1841224Indeed I'm aware. All the more reason to push it back into the public spotlight.
>So you're still free to say "down with Israel"Not according to the new "antisemitism" bill that's just passed
No.1841231
cops are able to crack down quicker right now because 1. college admins are calling them in directly, giving them much more legitemacy in directly cracking down compared to george floyd protests 2. cops & mayors are much more afraid of the potential for sustained civil unrest that is a greater possibility cracking down on mobs poor black people who often have much less to lose compared to what they see as a bunch of snivelling woke brats
No.1841232
>>1841229what are the actual details of the bill? isnt it just symbolic? not saying it isnt a terrible precedent of course
No.1841235
>>1841122>The question then arises who exactly to go back and assassinate in order to nip all Abrahamic creeds in the bud and at sourceProto-Judaism was invented by Akhenaten's Atenist Monotheist priests and a band of Canaanite migrant workers fleeing over the Isthmus of Suez (the marshy land bridge between Egypt and the levant) from Tutankhamen's soldiers after the death of Akhenaten initiated the purge of the short lived Monotheistic cult of Aten and the reinstatement of state-backed polytheism. The charioteers chasing them got caught in the mud of "sea of reeds" between the red sea and the Mediterranean, which later became exaggerated through oral retelling as the exodus myth. The head Atenist priests, Mosheph and Aaron, themselves of Canaanite origin, became lost in the land of Midian, and met up with the semi-Nomadic Midianites, who henotheistically (but not monotheistically) worshipped the Canaanite storm/war God YHWH and carried around a tent-temple called the tabernacle, along with other artifacts like the ark of the covenant. Mosheph and Aaron decided to ressurect the Atenist Religion as YHWHism by convincing the Midianites to not merely worship YHWH as the head of a pantheon, but to abandon their belief in other gods entirely, and to adopt a monotheism. Mosheph and Aaron purged the Midianites of polytheistic worshippers and created the Abrahamic myth in order to justify marching north and taking over the other Canaanite settlements for YHWH. After doing so they retconned history to say that the land they conquered was their inheritance all along, and that the peoples they conquered had strayed from the original monotheistic belief system, and they established a priestly class from Aaron's sons to carry on the monotheistic traditions. Mosheph died before reaching Israel.
No.1841236
>>1841231>1. college admins are calling them in directlyIndeed. WHY though?
> 2. cops & mayors are much more afraid of the potential for sustained civil unrest that is a greater possibility cracking down on mobs poor black peopleFair point. Granted.
No.1841237
>>1841236>Indeed. WHY though?Because having protests on campuses scares away rich donors, which provide the majority of funding for prestigious colleges, much more money then tuition and gov grants.
No.1841238
>>1841232>what are the actual details of the bill?Everything is antisemitic now including criticism of the zionist entity.
>isnt it just symbolic? No
No.1841240
>>1841237>Because having protests on campuses scares away rich donorsBLM didnt seem to scare off the rich donors. Curious
You're sort of conceding my point here
No.1841242
>>1841240But your argument isn't that they were apathetic or encouraging of BLM, it's that they constructed it entirely
No.1841244
>>1841235Yes I read this before years ago. Very interesting and most likely true. Thanks for reminding me of this anon. Freud was not completely full of shit.
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>>1841241is this an american law?
No.1841247
>>1841241It is darkly comedic
>>1841242>it's that they constructed it entirelyWut? Holy strawman no. That was not my argument. But in the case of these college admins - these are the very SAME admins who supported BLM and were calling to defund the police
No.1841251
>>1841222>Now compare the BLATANT difference in levels of State repression and propaganda from the establishmentProportionally the Biden regime is even more violent and repressive than Drumpf. So much for "lesser evil" BS.
KILL ALL LIBERALS!!! No.1841253
>>1841246Yes
Just signed into law an hour or so ago
No.1841254
>>1841251Based and correct
No.1841256
>>1841238>Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.fair enough
>Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.This is vague, covering everything from /pol/ shit to pointing out that a powerful individual is Jewish, or an organization is motivated by Jewish Ethnonationalism.
>Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.I'm sure if you are Jewish this sucks when it happens, but this happens to every ethnic/racial group, its not something unique to jewish people.
>Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the HolocaustI would be fine with criminalizing this if denial of other genocides such as the genocide of the Native Americans and Armenian genocide were also illegal.
>Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.But Israel does exaggerated the Holocaust, Israel blames the states of Poland and Russia for events that happened in these countries while they were under Germany Occupation.
And I don't even like Poland, but blaming poles for the holocaust is stupid and ahistorical. >Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.Its rare for this to happen, but it does happen sometimes. Ex: Sayanim.
https://spyscape.com/article/mossads-mysterious-sayanim-network-of-international-spies>Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.But Israel is objectively racist.
>Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.Their is no double standard in opposing genocide wherever it happens.
>Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.tbh i don't care about stupid religious stuff
>Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.When you do stuff that the Nazis did, violate Geneva conventions, mass civilian executions, violate territorial integrity of other states, people will call you a Nazi.
>Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.I don't think people should do this, but the reason why people do this is because Zionists keep telling people that Israel does collectively represent Jewish people.
Overall their are some legitimate stuff in IHRA, but most of it is a bunch of bullshit and its real purpose is to crackdown on peaceful antiwar protestors.
No.1841262
>>1841256I basically agree with everything you said here - more or less.
Well done anon. You are now legally and officially an antisemite according to this bill and the IHRA definition.
No.1841263
>>1841238So what are they gonna do now? Put everyone in prison who says Israel is a racist shithole that doesn't deserve to exist?
No.1841264
>>1841261I'm no legal scholar but reaffirmation of terrible law is bad mmmmkay
No.1841265
>>1841263Sure, why not? They can put them next to the people who only had a couple grams of weed in their pocket.
No.1841266
>>1841263They can use it to clamp down hard on people as an example in hope of terrorising others into silence.
Peak fascism.
No.1841275
>>1841264i agree its terrible and we should absolutely discuss how bad the law is around this, but we also dont want to look like morons who dont realize what the actual content is if its just reaffirming something years old
No.1841276
>>1841275A pitiful lukewarm response
The zio entity is genociding Palestinians while the US funds, arms and abets it.
This law CRIMINALIZES anyone who states that simple truth
This is overt fascist tyranny. Plain and simple.
No.1841278
>>1841263Companies who employ people who say Israel is racists can't get federal or state contracts/subsidies.
No.1841280
>>1841278Surely that is going to save their economy and help against China.
No.1841282
>>1841278Companies who employ people who say the USA is racist can get federal or state contracts/subsidies.
Really makes you think
The US is literally fascist on behalf of a foreign fascist state
>>1841280The US governing class put aside concepts of strategy and competence a long time ago Hans
No.1841285
>>1841282>The US governing class put aside concepts of strategy and competence a long time ago HansDid I imply something to the contrary or are you just a needlessly combatitive diva for no reason?
No.1841287
>>1841285>Did I imply something to the contraryNo
>a needlessly combatitive diva for no reason?Just reiterating your point Hans. Perhaps you misread the tone.
No.1841290
>>1841276i know that you retard, i am 100% against the zionazi entity, i think israel is a monstrous genocidal state that should be burned to the ground. all i am doing is trying to clarify the details of the content of the fucking bill everyone is talking about so i can be well informed when i am arguing with people about this, what are you not understanding
No.1841294
>>1841287Perhaps you should reiterate the points you would want to make instead because I understood what I said quite well.
No.1841296
>>1841290Hand wringing about whether we should or should not oppose this bill "in case we look like morons" is just fucking bizarre in these circumstances. Mind blowing.
>>1841294>I understood what I said quite well.Evidently. If only you could say the same about what I said. If this is how you react to agreement, I dread to imagine what you'd do when faced with contradiction.
No.1841305
>>1841263>So what are they gonna do now? Prevent you from holding any jobs if you dare question the ruling class.
No.1841307
>>1841261the IHRA codes are fucked because they're self-contradictory and written by an explicitly zionist organization. but adopting external guidelines on what is or isn't discriminatory isn't fucked in principle just in practice, because they're not taking these from student/community representative councils, just nepo baby libtard NGOs and propaganda outfits. kind of reminds me of zizek's point that the socialists have the moral high ground, we should be building alternatives to the liberal public policy think tank complex but with accurate and equitable guidelines not astroturf ones.
No.1841315
>>1840763There is a cluster of petit-bourgeois "socialist" media/grift fandoms over there.
>>1840790>but of course from a Marxian perspective it cannot override and redirect the baseEngels on this:
<I have interpreted your first main phrase in the following way: According to the Materialist Conception of History, the factor which is in the last instance decisive in history is the production and reproduction of actual life. More than this neither Marx nor myself ever claimed. If now someone has distorted the meaning in such a way that the economic factor is the only decisive one, this man has changed the above proposition into an abstract, absurd phrase which says nothing. The economic situation is the base, but the different parts of the structure-the political forms of the class struggle and its results, the constitutions established by the victorious class after the battle is won, forms of law and even the reflections of all these real struggles in the brains of the participants, political theories, juridical, philosophical, religious opinions, and their further development into dogmatic systems-all this exercises also its influence on the development of the historical struggles and in cases determines their form. It is under the mutual influence of all these factors that, rejecting the infinitesimal number of accidental occurrences (that is, things and happenings whose intimate sense is so far removed and of so little probability that we can consider them non-existent, and can ignore them), that the economical movement is ultimately carried out. Otherwise the application of the theory to any period of history would be easier than the solution of any simple equation. We ourselves make our history, but, primarily, under pre-suppositions and conditions which are very well determined. But even the political tradition, nay, even the tradition that man creates in his head, plays an important part even if not the decisive one. The Prussian State has itself been born and developed because of certain historical reasons, and, in the last instance, economic reasons. But it is very difficult to determine without pedantry that, among the many small States of northern Germany, precisely Brandenburg has been destined by economic necessity and not also by other factors (above all its complications with Poland after the Prussian conquest and hence, also, with international politics-which, besides has also been decisive in the formation of the power of the Austrian ruling family), to become that great power in which are personified the economic, linguistic, and-after the Reformation-also the religious difference between the North and South. It would be mighty difficult for one who does not want to make himself ridiculous to explain from the economic point of view the existence of each small German State of the past and present, or even the phonetic differentiation of High German which extended the geographic division formed already by the Sudetti mountains as far as the Faunus. No.1841529
>>1841325The romans carried out the murder of Jesus by command of the jews, the one who give the command is the murdered.
Saying the jews didn't kill jesus is like saying Hitler didn't kill any jews, that the SS killed the jews.
No.1841530
>>1841493when cults and messiahs turned out to be frauds and prophecies failed, there were people who left, but some people just doubled down. its more comfortable to have certainty.
No.1841531
>>1841529Except the Romans were in charge of the Roman Empire. It wasn't the Jewish Empire. The Jews were under military occupation by the Romans. Pontias Pilate had the legal power to save Jesus but he refused even though he had the political, legal, and military authority to and even though his wife personally warned him not to crucify Jesus because she had a nightmare the day before of how they'd be punished if they did.
The Gentiles are responsible too that's the whole point. People trying to exclusively blame Jews miss the entire point of the story.
John 15:18.
"World" includes everyone.
No.1841537
>>1841536And to give some context, student protests for Palestine, have been happening since the sharpening of genocide against Palestinians by Israelis since October 7th and of course previously, I attended a student protest a few months ago but not since, and organizers had been setting up and getting people to sign up to, organizations, at these protests.
No.1841540
>>1841529no it's like saying Nazi Germany wasn't run by Germans, even though Hitler was Austrian. or better yet, that it was run by Jews because there were more than a few Nazi Jews
No.1841550
>>1841536>If I wasn't busy right now with some assignments, I would join in.Peak leftypol excuses to do nothing scumbag…
Why do you even come here?
Just get a normal hobby instead of pretending to care about this stuff.
No.1841552
>>1841550I joined and protested when I was free a few months ago, as I am occupied, I am not going, until I'm done I'll be going asap, if you read the post where I provided context, you wouldn't be commenting this.
No.1841554
>>1841081>>1841088Bread and circuses loses it's effectiveness when it all the prices go up. Only 25% of Americas are actually right wing and most wont willingly die for Capitalism.
Also, Boomers were brainwashed into hating communism and think capitalism is good because they benefited but most of the younger generations got screwed. America isn't even close to lost.
>>1841531>>1841325This legislation not only attacks pro-Palestine positions, it is so broad it actually would outlaw parts of the New Testament. We should bring that up to every pro-Israel Conservative we come across.
Who has responsibility is depending on who's being addressed. Acts 2:36 specifically says "the house of Israel" crucified Jesus.
And Pilate might have had de jure rule but he was de facto afraid of a rebellion so he gave into the locals.
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>>1841256>I would be fine with criminalizing this if denial of other genocides such as the genocide of the Native Americans and Armenian genocide were also illegal. Don't forget denying the Uighur genocide or Putler's genocide of Ukrainians! Dog bless.
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>>1841555
And I work, I need money? do you not need to live, when you have free time you are able to get shit done, like protest, when you don't, you don't, unless you don't study or work, I can assume you're a good for nothing NEET.
No.1841566
>>1841565Stalin dropped out of college to join the bolsheviks and Robb banks
No.1841567
>>1841566You or I, are not stalin, be serious
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>>1841565Actual payed wage work is different than uni work you massive retard.
No.1841573
>>1841572I do BOTH, you idiot, I work and study
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>>1841536>australiaMonash University was attacked by Zionists last night, with alleged police enablement.
>>1841555ultra detected.
No.1841615
>>1841600>watching some douchebag commentator instead of just posting articlesrood
No.1841620
Here is a quick update on police interventions at pro-Palestine student protests on other US campuses today.
Police in New Hampshire said they made 90 arrests and took down tents at Dartmouth College.
Officers in Oregon came onto the Portland State University campus as school officials sought to end the occupation of the library that started on Monday.
No.1841627
>>1841562>Don't forget denying the Uighur genocide or Putler's genocide of Ukrainians! Dog bless.And this is why I don't want genocide denial laws in America, because their will be a bunch of fake shit tacked on.
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>>1841620>Police in New Hampshire said they made 90 arrests and took down tents at Dartmouth College.They also brought out an armored truck
No.1841646
People will be back. This is not the end’
Live Al Jazeera footage shows dozens of detained protesters waiting in line to be processed chanting slogans, such as “Free Palestine”.
A detained protester told Al Jazeera this was not the end of the protest movement.
“People will be back. It’s not the end,” he said. “Until the genocide ends and the funding … The billions of dollars spent.”
The protester said his message to UCLA was that this was “very disappointing”.
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UCLA professor detained during police crackdown: Student newspaper
UCLA’s student newspaper, the Daily Bruin, has reported that at least one university professor was detained alongside students when police broke up the pro-Palestine encampment.
The paper cited another professor who was in the encampment as saying that students had also been “visibly injured” by law enforcement, who fired stun grenades and “violently dragged” some of them off of the site.
“Faculty are standing to bear witness to this unnecessary horror”, Graeme Blair, associate professor of political science, told the Daily Bruin via text message
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>>1841256>imaginary friends are not an extremist viewNever change USA
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>>1841493That's excellent news, for it is in these moments of revolution that the "base" is most liable to be deliberately moved by outside agitators, so to speak.
>>1841530Any ghost story can make someone feel better. Religion's purpose is to be official.
No.1841654
>>1841529No one cares about your abrahamic religious cults and fairy tales
In fact that provision is the least concerning bit of this fascist bill
No.1841656
>>1841554>outlaw parts of the New TestamentAnd the very idea that we are free from Mosaic Law. This is a HUGE religious war, and the fundie Prots are losing their religious identity to Judaism. The question is, do they see their religion as post-Judaic, or neo-Judaic, and will they be allowed to?
No.1841658
>>1841654Translate that to secular speak. If they can copy-edit the "truth" of history, they can block the ideological exits from their religiously-based class system. Look at it as a whole system.
Men may not make history under circumstances of their own choosing, but they do make it nonetheless. If you're looking for a religion to ride into the destined future like a parade float, Marx has nothing for you.
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>>1841658I'm not convinced Jesus ever existed
I'm not convinced "the jews" are/were responsible for killing him if he did
Furthermore I don't care
What I do care about is jews currently mass murdering Palestinians at the rate of 40-50,000 in the last 6 months with the full support of the US that has just criminalized anyone for mentioning this fact and calling it what it is ie genocide
No.1841670
>>1841028You don't even need to scratch them at this point.
No.1841683
>>1841667Go to the bathroom, nobody cares about your emotional bladder urgency
No.1841684
>>1841683Remember to screenshot your post to qualify for your aipac bonus
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>>1841688
Based as fuck and rare burger W
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>>1841688
hey, I support my local unions :(
there aren't many of us, though…
No.1841702
>>1841061Israel isn't a foreign country. It's an US colony.
No.1841705
>>1841702The colony appears to have more importance than the core
The tail is wagging the dog
No.1841713
>>1841709>What's wrong with burgersThe dialectic of church and state. They tried to break it, now they own it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion No.1841721
>>1841016They really don't. They only care about other zionists. Like every other fascist they re-define belonging to their own purported ethnic or religious or national group to mean "agrees with me." They'll gladly throw diasporist or apolitical jewish people under the bus.
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Protesters in Paris say some students on hunger strike
An unknown number of student protesters from Paris’s Sciences Po university have decided to go on hunger strike in a bid to get their demands met by university administrators.
Sophie, a student protester at Sciences Po, reported the hunger strikes to Al Jazeera following a meeting between student protesters and university administrators in the French capital. Large protests were held at universities in Paris last week, including Sciences Po and the Sorbonne.
But Sophie said that none of the students’ demands had been met, including for their universities to cut ties with Israeli universities.
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Lol, Biden just held a 5 min speech on the protests and in the end journalists hurled questions at him and he quickly and unambigiously responded to the question whether the national guard should intervene with 'no' instead of just deflecting the question. I think this was a blunder.
No.1841735
>>1841734Zionist donors in shambles, they were getting ready to goon over pictures of dead students and Palestinian kids at the same time
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>>1841734Perhaps the police, including the secret police and blacklists, are considered adequate, as they were in Biden's record player days.
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>>1841494>Don't underestimate the power of liberalism. Our ranks will surely grow quite a lot, maybe even triple. But that's still a tiny number.Your numbers are tiny. But I'd like to add a historical lesson: when Martin Luther King was assassinated in 1968, only 25% of white Americans approved of King. A full 75% either didn't care about King or loathed him and everything he stood for. Some number of them were happy he was shot. I haven't seen polling on the actions at Columbia and UCLA, but I'd be shocked if it was less than 25%.
Either way, there's massive myopia in the liberal world that really thinks the only true version of activism is within the Democratic Party, and that if DO PROTEST RIGHT, everyone will ~*~magically~*~ come around to your position and support you, which is absolutely ahistorical nonsense. No matter what kind of protest action you do, more likely than not, most Americans will hate you – including a significant number of liberals. They'll say, well, "well, Rosa Parks was good…" because she was quiet and sat on the bus, but the "Rosa Parks" in their head is a mythical version that has little resemblance to the actual person, who was a huge supporter of armed black self-defense, worked with Black Power organizations, and was far from a deeply committed nonviolent activist.
I don't like Hamas. I've put my cards on the table. But you don't have like Hamas to think what Israel is doing is monstrous – and if you're an activist, you have to do what you think is necessary. If that means occupation, then OK. And there's tactical and strategic questions about that, which I'm not involved in planning on the ground so I can't weigh on that, but most liberals are not talking about that – they're talking about HOW WILL THIS AFFECT JOE IN NOVEMBER. Well, you just tell 'em what Gay Nazi anon told ya: that if someone is going to vote for Trump because of some kids at Columbia acting in a certain way in May, they were going vote for Trump anyways. And if any of those 20-year-old kids did some dumb shit, well, 20-year-olds do dumb shit all the time.
It's not as if being disciplined and talking about nonviolence is going to make any difference with the vast majority of people who simply oppose all protest. What we should be doing is supporting students in their activism, not whining that they aren't doing it in our preferred way. I have no preferred way. Because what do I know? There's no historical evidence that suggests there is a right way.
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>>1841748>I don't like HamasWhy?
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>>1841750>only true version of activism is within the PartyIt's best to think of parties as secular churches with all the ontological and epistemological derangement that implies.
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>>1841750Ideological disagreements with ultra-conservative Islamist groups. I wouldn't want to live under such a group. But I don't think that's strictly relevant to what's actually going on or whether to support the protests or not.
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>>1841493How can I as a destitute dipshit help to wake up the liberal masses?
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>>1841748Not gay Nazi glowie friend here, but Hamas provoked the entire Gaza genocide thing with slaughter of Israeli civilians, and their refusal to capitulate is partially responsible for the entire Gaza mess.
Hamas seemed to have been engaged in demographic warfare where a Palestinian child population was deliberately developed so that there'd be martyrs and human shields for their activities.
It is, in my opinion, the only workable strategy for Palestinian liberation (inflict sufficient economic pain on the Israelis to force them to the table by inflicting violence and then hiding behind human shields to absorb Israeli bombs and bullets and make them look bad), but it's goddamn atrocious.
Re: Gay Nazi glowie friend, there may be better ways to do this, but no one wants to take the risk and letting the protesters fight on their own is enough.
No.1841774
>>1841768Work. Volunteer to help the even more needy (you still have an internet connection). Splatter Free Palestine stickers in bathroom stalls where you blow people for money.
But yeah, if you want to influence opinion, as someone who is destitute and thus has nothing to lose, Free Palestine stickers to show that support exists is useful to help let others who are, like me, very risk-averse, know that the coast is clear to stand up for what we believe in.
No.1841777
>>1841705>The colony appears to have more importance than the coremaster-slave dialectic
No.1841788
>>1841238The only ones of those that are actually about anti-zionism are the one about saying the existence of Israel is racist and the one about comparing it to nazi germany. The rest are almost all actual antisemitism. The only exception is the "double standard" one which is just vague nonsense.
No.1841805
>>1841768>How can I as a destitute dipshit help to wake up the liberal masses?Join the solidarity movement.
No.1841815
>>1840906Name checks out.
No.1841825
>>1841768Convert to Orthodoxy and join ROCOR, they’re unironically by far the most revolutionary group that exists in America currently
No.1841838
>>1841834Heh you got me fucker
No.1841842
>>1841838What do you mean? :^) Authentic news article with actual news
No.1841846
>>1841788Yeah we need to crack down on these totally unfounded conspiracy theories that Jews are running the US. So glad both parties came together to pass this bill within days of these antisemitic college occupations.
No.1841858
>>1841770> Hamas provoked the entire Gaza genocide thing with slaughter of Israeli civilians, and their refusal to capitulate is partially responsible for the entire Gaza mess.why tf do we allow hasabra talking points on here?
No.1841877
>>1841858mods aren't omniscient
report it if you see it
No.1841889
>>1841877>>1841877>report it if you see itI always do and nothing happens
No.1841892
>>1841119Of course it is. Why else would they be doing this?
No.1841895
>>1840608Reversed weeaboos are a cancer
No.1841897
>>1841892>Why else would they be doing this?The spook of ethnoreligious supremacism
It's the basis of Abrahamic creeds - all of which precede your "material conditions" in the Marxist sense of the term
No.1841903
>>1841902
>let's stop the genocide of palestinians by genociding jews
hurr durr
No.1841905
>>1841880GOTTEM epic for the win
No.1841912
>>1841834Ok but in
actual news…
No.1841915
>>1841772lmao you stole his heart
>>1841908It's true, but in my experience posting the polls just results in coping about them being fake or going full retard and announcing polls of 1000 are unreliable
No.1841917
>>1841912they better hold that vote promptly and the protestors better come back if it goes the other way. good progress though.
No.1841918
>>1841897More generally, the spook of the epic hero, the main character of life, is the core of their social cosmology.
>>1841912>folding for a "vote"Just begging to be rolled
No.1841919
>>1841904Judaism is based on the spook of the Abrahamic covenant which forms the ontological foundation of zionism
Trying to separate them is like trying to separate Christianity and messianism
(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST) No.1841924
I can't wait for Biden to lose the election and be absolutely flabbergasted as to why young people abandoned him. And instead of the dems learning that they need to lean further left they'll take the exact opposite lesson. It's great.
No.1841925
>>1841924>instead of the dems learning that they need to lean further left they'll take the exact opposite lesson. It's great.This happens every time with 'centre-left' parties. But to be honest, it is kind of a good thing, because it leads to electoral politics being increasingly discredited to growing numbers of young people and the contradictions to heighten (and so on)
No.1841930
Brandon going 100% Hitler on the protests it seems.
No.1841931
>>1841921>idealismLiterally yes
>>1841922Zionists are not the "average person"
No.1841932
>>1841927
>he PROVED MY POINT ANYWAY WITH A BIASED SAMPLE OF MOSTLY FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES
>noooo stop greentexting take me seriously (I will continue greentexting to my heart's content)
No.1841934
>>1841919>ChristianityYou mean Lutherans? Oh, no, the whole idea of post-Catholicism was to make peace with Mammon, not to conquer him.
>>1841921>idealismEngels told you to lurk more
<I have interpreted your first main phrase in the following way: According to the Materialist Conception of History, the factor which is in the last instance decisive in history is the production and reproduction of actual life. More than this neither Marx nor myself ever claimed. If now someone has distorted the meaning in such a way that the economic factor is the only decisive one, this man has changed the above proposition into an abstract, absurd phrase which says nothing. The economic situation is the base, but the different parts of the structure-the political forms of the class struggle and its results, the constitutions established by the victorious class after the battle is won, forms of law and even the reflections of all these real struggles in the brains of the participants, political theories, juridical, philosophical, religious opinions, and their further development into dogmatic systems-all this exercises also its influence on the development of the historical struggles and in cases determines their form. It is under the mutual influence of all these factors that, rejecting the infinitesimal number of accidental occurrences (that is, things and happenings whose intimate sense is so far removed and of so little probability that we can consider them non-existent, and can ignore them), that the economical movement is ultimately carried out. Otherwise the application of the theory to any period of history would be easier than the solution of any simple equation. We ourselves make our history, but, primarily, under pre-suppositions and conditions which are very well determined. But even the political tradition, nay, even the tradition that man creates in his head, plays an important part even if not the decisive one. The Prussian State has itself been born and developed because of certain historical reasons, and, in the last instance, economic reasons. But it is very difficult to determine without pedantry that, among the many small States of northern Germany, precisely Brandenburg has been destined by economic necessity and not also by other factors (above all its complications with Poland after the Prussian conquest and hence, also, with international politics-which, besides has also been decisive in the formation of the power of the Austrian ruling family), to become that great power in which are personified the economic, linguistic, and-after the Reformation-also the religious difference between the North and South. It would be mighty difficult for one who does not want to make himself ridiculous to explain from the economic point of view the existence of each small German State of the past and present, or even the phonetic differentiation of High German which extended the geographic division formed already by the Sudetti mountains as far as the Faunus.>>1841924>thinking that parties are minds that "learn" and can be morally persuadedImaginary friend liberalism the post
No.1841943
>>1841912>Ok but in actual newsI think nobody's really talking about it because nobody really believes anything will come of it and it's just placating and co-opting the student protests on that campus.
No.1841944
>>1841934>You mean Lutherans?No I mean all Christianity
The vatican made peace with mammon and usury a long time ago
The "great commission" can't be carried out without a universalist endeavour funded by capital
No.1841946
>>1841770>Hamas seemed to have been engaged in demographic warfare where a Palestinian child population was deliberately developed so that there'd be martyrs and human shields for their activities.do you know where you are you pathetic shill? seriously rolling out "human shield" talking points? off yourself
No.1841956
>>1841950 (me)
>also and I neglected to point this out IT'S JUST A POPULATION TAB WITH NO POLLING LMFAO No.1841958
>>1841956they were trying to demonstrate that the opinions of american and israeli jews, the majority of jews in the world, are not nearly as insignificant or arbitrarily chosen as you are suggesting. you are making a fool of yourself, if you want to actually challenge the significance of the polls you need to look at the methodology
No.1841959
>>1841950Imagine carrying on posting after embarrassing yourself this much lmao
No.1841965
>>1841950We burn your last holy man upon a pyre of the last remnants of your sacred lies.
Cope. Seeth. Etc.
No.1841977
>>1841972
i didnt see the original post, anyone saying "/pol/ was right about jews" should be mocked or ignored. point still stands you were doing a bad job of arguing
No.1841979
>>1841977It's how he started. Mods deleted it.
>you were doing a bad job of arguingI'm not interested in putting a whole lot of effort into arguing with a guy who starts with that. I prefer to just take potshots and mock him.
>>1841978I deleted and re-worded so as to be clearer in what I mean.
No.1841981
>>1841972>>1841974>>1841979I'm a different poster, thought that was apparent with me replying to another post from an hour before the other guy
>>1841977He's using the same deduction skills for which poster is which that he uses to judge what tables mean
No.1841983
>>1841981That's my bad, I misunderstood and thought you were the same guy.
No.1841984
>>1841912Doesn't Brown have kind of the reputation to be the most easy-going ivy?
No.1841985
>>1841912>>1841943Yeah but that would only buy them time. If they flop on that, it's going to make people a lot madder and poison the well for Brown and probably any other campus doing less than actually conceding. It's a dialectical process.
No.1841986
>>1840548Most any worker that works for the MIC is ideologically on the same level as volunteer soldiers. The workers that it depends on, such as steel, chemical, and silicon, are a better bet to align with.
No.1841988
>>1841938>>1841922>>1841919Have you seriously not seen Israelis specifically citing their religion as justification for what they're doing? Literally saying things like "Palestine will get what the Amalekites got." Idk how much you know about Judaism, but regardless of political leanings, but it's a pretty big trend in (religious) Jewish culture to be super argumentative over details of the religion and how it applies to real life…
No.1841992
>>1841988My problem with this is that it sort of handwaves away the significance of the fact that basically every religion is going to have a bunch of warring interpretations that lead to different practical conclusions. To say "Zionism is the inevitable result of abrahamic ontology" isn't totally wrong but it papers over internal strife in a way that cedes ground to zionists
No.1841993
>>1841950Fuck you and your religions, you're probably just a butthurt christian.
No.1841996
>>1841993I'm an atheist lol
No.1841998
>>1841996Then why are you going out of your way to defend religion
No.1842000
>>1841988>Have you seriously not seen Israelis specifically citing their religion as justification for what they're doing? Yes
Further evidence supporting my post
Why are you posting at me? Learn to read.
No.1842002
>>1841992>it papers over internal strife in a way that cedes ground to zionistsIdiotic
No.1842003
>>1841998I'm not. I get annoyed at sweeping ideological generalizations regarding demographics, because that way lies schizo bullshit.
>>1842002Explain how, then. Show receipts.
No.1842005
>>1842003>Explain howExplain how my assertion regarding judaism and zionism being inseparable is somehow a mechanism to paper over intra-jewish fbi.gov which serves zionism?
You're not even wrong. You're completely incoherent.
No.1842008
intra-jewish disagreement*
No.1842010
>>1841992>To say "Zionism is the inevitable result of abrahamic ontology" isn't totally wrong but it papers over internal strife in a way that cedes ground to zionistsSure but the truth is that zionism and anti-zionism are both predictable products of the religious ideology. Like some of the most anti-zionist Jews are also the super religious orthodox ones who find the basis for opposing Israel not so much in humanitarian interest but in the idea that God doesn't want Jews to return to Israel (yet). It's a complex topic, and the religion is a factor (both ways), so merely dismissing any concerns about that is incorrect.
It's also counterproductive when it comes to opposing antisemitism because anybody can just look at the situation and see that there are lots of zionists explicitly using the religion as justification for what Israel does. To some degree, there is an argument being had within the religion as a whole over the zionism question. While religion in general is not a great thing and communists should not openly support religion, how this conflict plays out is of interest to the situation at large, since even outside of the religious context the ideological basis for Israel revolves around the modern version of "the Jewish question." Which is to say, the argument within Judaism tilting against Israel is a win for the anti-zionist side since it undermines the ideological foundation of zionism.
>>1842000>Why are you posting at me?To include more context for people reading.
No.1842011
>>1841998The rub in trying to assign them as religious or ethnic group is that Jews are an ethnoreligious group spanning several ethnicities, even a bunch of Zionist Jews are atheist which reminds me of a funny quote I saw before:
>A bunch of people who don't believe in god but do believe god gave them some landLike you could have an atheist Druze, but they're still Druze.
No.1842013
>>1842005Oh for fuck's sake. Zionism is a specific historical phenomenon that is younger than judaism per se. Within the jewish population there's other ideologies like diasporism or people who just are straight-up apolitical and don't give a fuck.
To say "Zionism is innately connected to judaism" (which is common sense because they fucking say it) is not the same as saying "judaism MUST always lead to zionism"
No.1842014
>>1842010>To include more context for people reading.Well ok then. Carry on
No.1842015
>>1842010>It's also counterproductiveSpecifically, it's counterproductive because merely dismissing the connection to religion makes it look like people are just trying to "cover up" for something nefarious and obvious. The zionists openly using the religion as a political tool is something that has to be addressed, partly because the point of this is to conflate zionism with Judaism and Jews.
No.1842017
>>1842010>Sure but the truth is that zionism and anti-zionism are both predictable products of […]Can't argue with any of this tbh
No.1842021
>>1842013>Zionism is a specific historical phenomenon that is younger than judaism per seMoronic
The entire religion is based on a divine covenant for a territorial claim and a national construct centered around a physical temple located there
>other ideologies like diasporismNot such ideology exists. The diaspora is a historical reality - not an ideology.
> is not the same as saying "judaism MUST always lead to zionism"Agreed but the contention is idiotic and analogous to saying that Christianity leading to the formation of a church is not an inevitability
No.1842023
>>1841554>it is so broad it actually would outlaw parts of the New Testamentb-based?
No.1842024
>>1841554>This legislation not only attacks pro-Palestine positions, it is so broad it actually would outlaw parts of the New Testament. We should bring that up to every pro-Israel Conservative we come across.Call your senator and say this lol. Say that the law discriminates against Christians and ask if they hate Christians and God.
No.1842026
>>1842021>Not such ideology existsAnon, you can literally google it.
No.1842029
>>1842026>google is the source of truth and authorityJewish hand wringing about their post national status after the Roman conflicts and how their religious cult can be maintained absent the temple does not constitute political ideology
No.1842035
>>1842029Anon, it's a simple statement of fact. It's a position that exists and has adherents.
>Jewish hand wringing about their post national status after the Roman conflicts and how their religious cult can be maintained absent the temple does not constitute political ideologThat's not what it refers to.
No.1842037
>>1842035>It's a position that exists and has adherents.A theological one. Not a coherent political ideology of any significance.
>That's not what it refers to.It refers to intra-jewish fixations on their ethnoreligious identity
Again - not a political ideology
No.1842043
>>1842037>A theological oneFair enough. Point being, the idea that judaism as a faith is teleologically driven towards zionism or something equally fascistic strikes me as absurd.
No.1842045
>>1842042oh look it's actual Neonazi Tom Cotton.
No.1842050
>>1842042Did they realise that calling them commies and socialists would only embolden them further
No.1842051
>>1842043> the idea that judaism as a faith is teleologically driven towards zionism or something equally fascistic strikes me as absurd.It strikes me as self evident
Indeed all monotheist abrahamic creeds suffer from this inherent fascist impulse
A false consciousness insisting on adherence to it's concepts or subservience to adherents of those concepts
No.1842059
>>1842058Biden is so fucking cooked lmao
No.1842062
>>1842056>Well, I'm not an idealistNeither am I. That doesn't mean that spooks don't exist or that they do not hold great power over the minds of barely evolved primates.
>totally independent of historical contextNo one added that contingent subclause apart from you
No.1842066
>>1842060I'm legitimately done with this country. I've been staring at the black, cold void at the heart of this place for basically most of my life since as a young teen I saw every so-called respectable adult in my life cheer on shelling civilian targets in Iraq with depleted uranium because hurr durr 9/11.
This is why I roll my eyes at jungle gang posters - you think you hate Americans
Nobody hates Americans more than Americans hate each other deep down. And you know what?
Fine. Fuckin' bet. Fuck this place and the avaricious fuckers that live in it.
No.1842070
The sooner Abrahamism is wiped off the Earth the better. Good thing is all 3 believe what's happening in Palestine is part of the end times prophecy. When nothing comes of it Abrahamism will be thoroughly delegitimized. My sincere hope is that is for the most part dead by 2100. Abrahamism is reactionary and can't coexist with the communist movement.
No.1842071
>>1842070Cringe new Atheist-style idealism.
No.1842072
>>1842070Based and correct
No.1842073
>>1842062>Neither am I. That doesn't mean that spooks don't exist or that they do not hold great power over the minds of barely evolved primates.Okay, but then that just reduces the argument to basically vibes. If you're going to treat these ideas as a teleological force with their own autonomous internal momentum, and you're not an idealist, you're going to have to address what specific kind of socio-historical contingent factors such a thing supervenes upon and explain exactly how - otherwise, you're essentially treating it like it's basically spooky demons possessing people
No.1842075
>>1842071The "new atheist" are a neocon plot to secure reaction within secularism. How is what I'm saying related to them at all? Any time secularism shows any teeth this shit is brought up as some kinda gotcha.
No.1842080
>>1842075>When nothing comes of it Abrahamism will be thoroughly delegitimized.Thinking 'facts and logic' can help you debate religion into non-existence.
>The sooner Abrahamism is wiped off the Earth the betteFor Abrahamism to disappear the base has to be changed.
No.1842082
>>1842070unfortunately its like drugs. Russel brand even converted to catholicism recently. just when you think it's fading away, it comes back.
No.1842084
>>1842073>with their own autonomous internal momentumYou keep adding these strawmen clauses
>You're going to have to address what specific kind of socio-historical contingent factors such a thing supervenes upon and explain exactly howYou sound like a presuppositional Christfag asserting that I must accept the existence of his retarded thunder god in order to accept logic and have a conversation.
The reality of false consciousness and it's effects are directly observable and I don't need to provide a comprehensive "account" for it's ontological basis in order to assert that simple fact of current reality
No.1842092
>>1842051>>1842070I think all religions should be understood as sociological phenomena. And the thing about sociological phenomena and sociology in general is that it
is a pseudo science in the sense that the scientific method and specifically experiment design cannot be applied to it in the same way it is applied to natural sciences. In other words, we cannot carry out controlled experiments to determine the "natural tendency" of any religions.
This does not mean it's not useful or valuable. Religions have always existed alongside and in an inextricable relation other socio-economic factors. Religion is a variable dependent of and depended on by many other socio-economic variables. Modern observation of religious tendencies seem to show that populations with relatively high standards of living and education either naturally drift away from religion or reinterpret their religious beliefs and texts to fit their new values. The holy texts of all 3 religions are full of horrible shit, and yet all 3 have sects ranging from ultra conservative (luddites, monarchists, patriarchal, etc) to radical leftists (feminist, sex-positive, egalitarian). Violent repression of religion backfires in most cases. Public education and improvements of peoples socio-economic conditions naturally chip away at the influence of religious institutions. idk
No.1842094
>>1842080The superstructure will be destroyed by the failed prophecy, and the base by capitalism's destruction of itself a destruction it will not recover from I with add.
That doesn't mean reaction will be defeated but devolve and disintegrate beyond capitalism No.1842096
>>1842084>You keep adding these strawmen clausesThen explain the specific material reasons as to why this "inherent fascist impulse" keeps winning out. If this a strawman, then you've done a poor job of clarifying your meaning.
>The reality of false consciousness and it's effects are directly observable and I don't need to provide a comprehensive "account" for it's ontological basis in order to assert that simple fact of current realityThere's a big jump from observing false consciousness in action to "I know the internal characteristics of these things, and it's an innate fascist drive since the beginning that constantly wins out"
No.1842097
>>1842094I don't know whether you know anything about Christianity or Abrahamic religions but those prophecies have been falling for millennia and those religions keep existing.
No.1842098
>>1842082>>1842082>Russel brand even converted to catholicism recentlyat the same time that he got sponsored by a catholic meditation prayer app and around the same time that he was mentioned in the diddy reporting. idk, it's real cool zone shit for brand to take this turn.
No.1842099
>>1840837Freedom is one of those abstractions, alongside equality, that Marx says is already realized in commodity exchange, and one of the things he chastises Proudhon fot wanting to see the "real" realisation of.
No.1842103
>>1842092>Violent repression of religion backfires in most cases.Agreed and I don't endorse that. Neither do I accept special carve outs, exceptions and privileges for religious groups who assert that normal rules don't apply to them
>>1842096>Then explain the specific material reasons as to why this "inherent fascist impulse" keeps winning out.I don't have to in order to point to it and identify it via basic observation
>I know the internal characteristics of these thingsI never claimed such knowledge. I merely point to those innate fascist results which occur consistently and across time in all 3 creeds
No.1842106
>>1842092Well this is we're Mao and the cultural revolution is so important. Religion is as you say a natural occurrence of sociology. I'm not saying that we can defeat the spiritual outlook. I personally believe Communism needs it. Personally a animistic pantheism that's constructive is desirable. The major religions have within them the ability to function with communism example liberation theology. Problem is that is an exception not the rule, and rule will always be at odds with Communism. Abrahamism is an extinctionist death cult it has to be actively quelled within the next few centuries. It needs to be suppressed just enough to squash it and not enough to get to much push back.
No.1842117
>>1842108>I don't have to explain why I believe what I doI didnt say that
I said that I don't need to provide a comprehensive ontological account for the existence of a phenomena in order to identify that such a phenomena exists - and that it exists consistently across time
Again you sound like a pseud christfag who thinks presuppositional argumentation is the ultimate gotcha and proof of the existence of their psychotic bronze age sky daddy
No.1842119
>>1842117>Asking me to make sense is being a christfagok dude, you do you
No.1842120
>>1842097Well the conditions have changed most of those failed end time prophecies came before the advent of the secularism of the enlightenment. With the state of Israel being made it also I believe adds more weight to this periods notions then before. In the past when they failed nothing was there to head to a new direction and everything was there to keep it's hegemony. The material conditions state this is a unique time that has me believe it's different this time as at odds with the past that might feel.
No.1842121
>>1842119Again with the low autism score strawmen and mischaracterisations
No.1842126
>>1842123Im okay with any religion that leaves me in peace to goon until my balls start to shrivel up like prunes.
No.1842127
>>1842121What part of "I don't buy your reasoning" is this hard to understand. Holy hell.
No.1842128
>>1842123>Wicca should be made the state religionAgreed but only if party members are provided with at least 3 state mandated Wiccan gfs
No.1842130
>>1842123wicca being cracker larp with no historical base
No.1842132
>>1842127Learn to read and comprehend.
No.1842139
>>1842133I don't care anymore. Let this place burn
No.1842141
>>1842133he is 100% gonna lose and it'll be so funny
No.1842145
>>1842070^ here I detailed the thread
>>529234To continue the discussion.
No.1842149
>>1842146Infinite regress ad nauseam
No.1842160
Trump could have at least done what Nixon did and gone to a university campus and tried to shake the students hands and do like a ‘can we find common ground?’ Debate, So even if one of them spit on him or he got punched, he could go like ‘Welp I tried’
It actually would have been logical from a cynical political perspective since Trump has spent the better part of a decade pretending to be a dove.
But no, He dosent even want to pretend to be a dove now, he’s just a bomb bomb bomb Iran Cheneyite who thinks America should invade Iran if sacred Israel is threatened and his followers and other rightoids will eat up the slop anyway because of uh…’The left’ is Anti-white or smth
No.1842165
>>1842160He's a grifter who wants more money and power and that is already constantly given by him. Not to mention the state specifically protects him from consequences that would have put you or me in prison forever. Biden also helps him definitely win this election
No.1842166
>>1842133I'm really excited to see the lowest turn out of all time for the "most important election of all time"
No.1842170
>>1842165Nah, I think it’s 50/50 that Biden/Trump wins.
No.1842174
<Talking about anything but what's been going on in uni campus across the worldThis website..
>>1842160>He dosent even want to pretend to be a dove now<NowDuring his presidency they called him Zion Don.
He has a settlement named after him.
You should not be surprised.
No.1842176
>>1842174He snapped back yo pretending to be a dove with the Ukraine shit, But according to Lindsey Graham Trump has ‘changed his mind’, Which probably means he’s cucked on that as well.
No.1842180
>>1842179
wow ur so cool anon
No.1842185
>>1842183
Stop larping, go plant a tree or something
No.1842186
>>1842183
>if you think my opinion is cringe then Lenin would fucking kill you for me
NTA but this, this right here, this is the cancer killing the site
No.1842189
>>1841529>The romans carried out the murder of Jesus by command of the jewsThat's like saying the US government torturing prisoners in Abu Ghraib by command of the Iraqis.
And no. Jesus was not killed by "The Jews." Jesus was a Jew, as were his followers. Jesus was killed by the Romans. The New Testament is a story written from the perspective of Jesus's followers several decades later, after Jerusalem had fallen and there were Early Christian diasporas throughout the Roman empire. Early Christians were just one sect of political messianic Judaism. There were Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, and Zealots as well. Possibly other sects not known to us today. Most Jews were peasants living throughout Judea. The religious pharisee leadership in Jerusalem, in the 2nd temple, were the sect particularly interested in executing Jesus, and even among them there were dissenters like Nicodemus. These were the people who petitioned the Roman governor to execute Jesus and free Barrabas, and intimidated some of the locals into joining them for that purpose. The idea that Jesus was uniquely hated by all Jews is ridiculous, otherwise he wouldn't have gained a following prior to coming to Jerusalem. It was a particular sect in Jerusalem who had beef with him. And that is if you take the New Testament at face value, despite the fact that it is a nonhistorical religious narrative decades removed from the events, at best.
No.1842192
>>1842160>since Trump has spent the better part of a decade pretending to be a dove.depends on who is in the room.
baghdadi died like a dog, soleimani died like a dog, they're rapists and some i assume are good people, we need to get tough, like in the old days, bing bong bing
No.1842194
>>1842185>go plant a tree or somethingwow just like jimmy beast
No.1842195
>>1842191
Being an edgy tryhard is just as alienating as being an UwU softlib
consider being fucking normal
No.1842196
Iran university promises free education, stay to expelled Western students
Multiple universities in Iran are taunting their Western counterparts by promising to accept students who are expelled for participating in pro-Palestine protests.
The Shahid Beheshti University (SBU) in Tehran, one of Iran’s top universities, announced on Thursday that it will welcome students turned away from universities in the US and across Europe.
“We have considered scholarships for these students and will fully pay for their education, dormitory and stay,” said SBU President Mahmoud Aghamiri, according to state-linked media.
“We will also especially support Palestinian students who are facing challenges,” he said without elaborating.
Dozens of universities across Iran were the scenes of widespread student demonstrations – and clashes with armed security and arrests – during nationwide protests that rocked Iran in 2022 and 2023.
No.1842199
>>1842196What the fuck? That's really cool. Is this a trap
No.1842200
>>1842191
>pic
>To pick fights and seek revenge instead of entering into an argument against incorrect views.
>To regard oneself as having rendered greater service to the revolution. To think highly of oneself
>>1842183
>I'm sure you would have said the same to Lenin when he called for the creation of the Cheka, and you would have been one of the first against the wall when it happened.
No.1842201
>>1842196extremely based, sauce?
No.1842207
>>1842204
Shut the fuck up and stay on topic, you damned LARPer. You're not radical or revolutionary just because you know how to post memes and tough-guy rhetoric in response to being criticized on the internet. Grow up.
No.1842208
>>1842196>Iran university promises free education, stay to expelled Western studentslol
I can't wait for this to hit the Fox/Newsmax circuit.
No.1842209
>>1842204
>Pic
>Stalin
"It is altogether different with Marxism and anarchism: both are at the present time recognised as socialist trends, they are waging a fierce struggle against each other, both are trying to present themselves to the proletariat as genuinely socialist doctrines, and, of course, a study and comparison of the two will be far more interesting for the reader.
We are not the kind of people who, when the word "anarchism" is mentioned, turn away contemptuously and say with a supercilious wave of the hand: "Why waste time on that, it's not worth talking about!" We think that such cheap "criticism" is undignified and useless.
Nor are we the kind of people who console themselves with the thought that the Anarchists "have no masses behind them and, therefore, are not so dangerous." It is not who has a larger or smaller "mass" following today, but the essence of the doctrine that matters. If the "doctrine" of the Anarchists expresses the truth, then it goes without saying that it will certainly hew a path for itself and will rally the masses around itself. If, however, it is unsound and built up on a false foundation, it will not last long and will remain suspended in mid-air. But the unsoundness of anarchism must be proved." – Stalin, 1906
No.1842210
>>1842183
If Lenin told me to do it I would do it, if you told me to do it I would give you a wedgie
No.1842211
>>1842204
The real enemy of marxim is liberals/imperialists. Anarchists are few and far between and so are marxists because they've been crushed under them both in propaganda and literally. There is a debate to be had about anarchists but only when the bourgeoisie has been defeated.
No.1842216
>>1842211Just mock him, he's a schizo LARPer who picks a new contrarian position every week
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>>1842217
Stop derailing the thread.
You're not Lenin or Mao, you're a guy on an imageboard. Put your ego back in your pants.
No.1842219
>>1842204
What out lads. We've got a real hard man here. This guy means business.
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>>1842217
succdem false flagging as an ML hating anarchists
No.1842224
>>1842218>>1842220>>1842219>>1842217Shut the fuck up you derailing faggots.
>>1842201>extremely based, sauce?Al-Jazeera live-blog.
No.1842226
>>1842223
People are annoyed with you because you're derailing the thread with posturing.
Shut the fuck up, tryhard.
No.1842229
>>1842224Blame the mods. Motherfucker's been going off for 20 minutes and I've been reporting his shit
No.1842230
>>1842217
>target practice for our cadres
Fellas this guy has command of armed cadres. I told you. He means business.
>>1842223
Angry comrade? No no not me. Pls no gulag
No.1842234
been watching a few of the Japanese protestor twitter accounts and it's already showing signs of being subverted by anti-nuclear rhetoric. Same shit happened to SEALDs student protests 10 years back and it burnt out
No.1842239
>>1842236
Mods, seriously.
No.1842244
>>1842236
>Ebin Rab Babbles
are you 12
No.1842248
>>1842242
>Mods should ban the anti-communist bandits who infest this site.
If you want your own little playpen website then kindly go and make it.
Absolutely nobody or nothing is stopping you.
No.1842252
>>1842248Been reporting this goddamn weird fucker's tantrum for about 30 mins now, mods do jack
No.1842255
>>1842239>>1842242Serious question, why did you come to a site named /leftypol/ in the first place? Go to the hundred gentrified forums if you don't want to bully nazis.
No.1842257
>>1842243That's not 'Arfican News Network', its Al-J, don't be disingenuous wrt these things.
Marc Lamont Hill is a good commentator though, has some decent positions.
No.1842260
mods
No.1842263
>>1842256>Why did a bandit like you show up?I (
>>1842255 ) have been here since 2019, I am a Marxist. I am an active member of a major communist org and supply insider information to help my union. In fact, I'm visible in televised footage of Palestine rallies, including unlawful rallies, in my country. The only way one could consider me 'not a leftist' is to claim the concept of 'left' is nonsense in itself.
>To talk with other leftists.But why
here, and not the other safe spaces? I put forth you're only hurting yourself by having false expectations of what this place is and its history. Did you even read the rules?
No.1842264
>>1842242
I'd agree if I didn't get my posts regularly deleted for spousing basic marxism here.
No.1842268
>>1842196isnt it really hard for westerners to get into iran
No.1842273
>>1842270>having pointless argumentsSuch as? Most philosophical questions are useless, but determining whether something helps the proletarian movement or not is not a "pointless argument".
>and fracturing into ever tinier micro-sectsI agree that this is stupid.
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>>1842269
My throwing range is less than your firing range and we don't have rifles yet. They all lived.
No.1842275
>>1842243One of the funnier obscure things about this situation is that the French have been shitting and farting about what appears to be a non-existent red-green-brown alliance for decades. So the west in its blundering pigheaded incompetence basically forces them all together like they did with Russia, China and Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Red%E2%80%93green%E2%80%93brown_alliance>In 2010, Del Valle published an essay in Italy titled "Verdi, Rossi, Neri. La convergenza degli estremismi antioccidentali: islamismo, comunismo, neonazismo" ("Red, Black, Green: The Meeting of Extreme Anti-Westernisms"What we're seeing domestically is now like what we're seeing internationally, where western governments have made themselves the prime antagonist of a bunch of ideologically, ethnically and religiously disparate groups to the point that they have been given a unifying common enemy that sees these Zionist governments as the highest priority.
No.1842279
>>1842275are """communists""" actually allying with literal nazis and religious fanatics lol
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>>1842269
How many "AnarKKKists" have you killed comrade?
No.1842287
>>1842268No. Perhaps for burger but not sure. Lots of people travel between euro and Iran and even if it is not possible from US then you'd only have to fly to Turkey perhaps first.
These are top unis by burger standards though so lots of international, including regional, students.
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>>1842289
even lenin said the next revolutions would be "relatively peaceful" compared to russia's
No.1842293
>>1842289
Unarmed? I literally have two.
No.1842295
>>1842290Guess lenin was wrong then
No.1842301
>>1842273>Such as? Most philosophical questions are useless, but determining whether something helps the proletarian movement or not is not a "pointless argument".Mostly campist shoulda-woulda-coulda arguments about historical movements and which side to uphold or else campist arguments about every fucking political struggle regardless of whether there is a right side to pick.
No.1842308
>>1842301It's what inevitably happens when your politics revolves around abstract leftoid nonsense like anti-imperialism, self-determination, anti-Western campism and so on rather than communism, the international proletarian movement.
No.1842316
>>1842279A lot of the language suggests that people are at least cribbing notes from a bunch of them, but the actual organizations seem to be absent though their members may be present. The numbers of communists, Nazis and jihadists are pretty thin realistically, so it makes sense you get ideological soup as soon as a large bunch of apolitical people become activated.
The Houthis are a good example of this broad anti-western ideology that has matured since they absorbed everyone else in Yemen basically, including a lot of the communists so you will sometimes see stuff like Fanon quoted in their propaganda. It's also not unheard of to find communist Houthis.
Although I'm mostly just thinking out loud after the other poster's comments:
>how confusing things are and how fast things are moving? Just 6 years ago I assumed anyone who said "Zogbot" was the type of loser who had a username like kekistan1488 and now i have to assume in good faith it's probably a pro-palestine comrade using cringe language No.1842327
>>1840906>proper marxist analysis<(bait/shitpost)Oh my fucking god this place is a fucking joke.
No.1842339
>>1842092>>1842106>>1842051uyghas don't read shit and suffer from terminal larp syndrome.
In current reality, religion is dead or at best dying. The current material conditions simply don't push people towards mythological explanations of the world, which is why "evangelical conservatives" and "liberation theology" exist in the first place. People who already are religious clearly understand that religion doesn't do a good job of explaining the world. Back when religion made sense, there were no "Christian communists" - there were quakers, hussites, and others. The Pope is trying to save religion by pandering to socialists in Latin America, for god's sake.
Wicca is a funny larp, as are all religions like it. The role of religion was taken over by naked liberal idealism (which grew directly out of Christianity) during the Enlightenment. You personally are liberal idealists, by the way. This is the correct description of people who say shit like "abrahamism is a death cult".
No.1842342
>>1842293>not possessing an additional 2 cybernetic implantsNGMI
No.1842358
>>1842339>You personally are liberal idealistsI'm not
No.1842382
>>1842358Scientific materialism is not simply a set of propositions. It's a unitary doctrine, the critique of religion as a socially ordained structure is included within it.
No.1842384
>>1842342My posting is augmented.
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>>1842393ngl selling althusser in a protest is fucking retarded LOL
No.1842400
>>1842393On one had it takes brass balls to give
fucking althusser to rando normies
on the other hand who the fuck is going to understand
fucking althusser without at least doing a bunch of homework
No.1842404
oh pls hes not that hard to understand lmao
No.1842405
>>1842382Point stands
I'm not a liberal idealist
This was my post
>>1842051 No.1842409
>>1842393Does the book have any info that would be beneficial in strangling Drew Pavlou?
No.1842416
>>1842404youre right, the essay is mostly psychological mumbo jumbo and focuses too much on ideology. but im guessing thats not all the books they were offering, right? i hope so
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>>1842384Insufficient
>>1842400>ballsIt's much more likely to be misplaced limitless youthful optimism
A characteristic rarely possessed by those who have read and understood Althusser
No.1842421
>>1842393>splittistsif da gommies supporting Palestine makes you support israel, you were only virtue-signaling.
>althusserbased.
No.1842425
>>1842393What is the dominant ISA of the current USA?
No.1842439
>>1842327Or an op?
>>1842339>explanations of the worldApples and oranges. Natural gods should not be conflated with world gods nor with natural science. Their roles in society are totally different.
Other societies' cosmologies do not necessarily say much about the origins of material objects or with the sort of explanatory rigor that positivists would like history to have. In fact, early religion-bureaucracies were not concerned very much with useful knowledge relative to things on Earth, so much as with metaphysical names, relations, and successions. So with the Kwakiutl cosmology, a collection of episodic encounters with the spirit world by which the tribe historically gained access to natural or (mostly) cultural properties, almost all well in the past, or the Christian cosmology which doesn't explain any natural forces, and well before positivist science existed to displace it.
Even then, world-religions don't purport to explain what is when there's world-history for that, so much as they propose to create what isn't. They place the adherent into a half-finished story (or dance, or dream) and oblige the believer to extend it, through commitment to the religion's defined relations to action (value). People's relation with natural gods, on the other hand, was performative and transactional, not normative and moral. Nature gods did not presume general command of human affairs, which was the sole business of the king (which total command only really extended about 100-200m from his person, and dropped off rapidly thereafter). Those not looking to enhance their love or riches, or had not recently come into a bounty thereof, weren't bound to render service unto Venus, but good luck being seen by her when she comes around to Earth to distribute her blessings.
No.1842465
>>1842411i love this movie but damn why that
UYGHA HAVE BRASS BALLS IN HIS SUITCASE LMAO Unique IPs: 135