No.1839039
>"You probably didn't know that x is actually was Invented by Palestinians" or discussing how Palestine is connected to the experiences of black or queer people
a thread to talk bad about the "woke mob" and "radlibs"
Again
Well, good for you guys, gonna do something else
No.1839042
>>1839037Why did you have to make a seperate thread for this retarded shit?
>>805130 No.1839043
>>1839039that's not what my point and I clarified these people haven't done anything wrong and have made a positive impact
No.1839045
>>1839042because “American” is a cultural identity that extends beyond America, there are Americans in France, Spain, Saudi Arabia and Argentina
No.1839092
Many police forces and universities receive training from Israel through the GILEE program. One recent example is Atlanta, building Cop City. Specializing cops to put down riots in urban areas
Connecting the oppression of black people by police brutality and racism is a key organizing tactic in helping black proletariat through many black centered groups connected with Palestinian liberation orgs
I can tell you don’t organize or know what you are talking about because actual organizers and groups speak on this all the time.
Protestors in Atlanta have been arrested for occupying forests around Cop City
Please shut the fuck up you useless retard and stick to twitter
No.1839093
Many police forces and universities receive training from Israel through the GILEE program. One recent example is Atlanta, building Cop City. Specializing cops to put down riots in urban areas
Connecting the oppression of black people by police brutality and racism is a key organizing tactic in helping black proletariat through many black centered groups connected with Palestinian liberation orgs who face similar but on a much worse scale ofc, police brutality and live in an apartheid state in Gaza. It helps connect one aspect of US imperialism to a sect of the working class. A marginalized one at that.
I can tell you don’t organize or know what you are talking about because actual organizers and groups speak on this all the time.
Protestors in Atlanta have been arrested for occupying forests around Cop City
You have no clue what you are talking about and you’re a keyboard larper
No.1839094
I suppose a concise read of this is: how to get them to actually organizing rather than get softlocked into debate.
No.1839097
>look at cringe online spaces
>find cringe online activism
maybe go the fuck outside to an actual protest
No.1839144
>>1839037>And while I believe that the majority mean well(and actually haven't done any harm) they are employing tactics and rhetoric that don't make sense Well, yeah. But that's ideology. It's always something in the process of being constructed or reconstructed or rearranged or to make two disconnected things work together so it "works." So you get fat white girls for Palestine. But the many particularities attached to Palestine with the issue being forced to expand in infinite directions is probably more upsetting to the Israeli government than the opposite.
I read an article today about the repression of Palestine protests by Arab governments. There have been arrests in Egypt, Kuwait, Jordan and Morocco. I'm assuming there have been arrests in Saudi Arabia and the UAE but those regimes are so authoritarian I'm not sure there have been many protests to begin with. While these governments do say they support Palestine or have state-sponsored rallies of their own, they don't tolerate people doing things on their own, or forming political groups of any kind (it depends on the country), so the issue of democratization in the region and Palestine become intertwined. It's not just the fact that these governments use Israeli spyware, and it's not just about Palestine, it's something bigger than that, but Palestine becomes like a hinge for other movements to revolve around.
No.1839280
>>1839092>>1839093see that's my issue, a lot of comes americans making it about them selves and it kinda infuriates me.
No.1839627
I'm half convinced that half these people glow. Making this a "right"-"left" culture war issue is very-much in porky's best interests.
No.1839693
Being able to sway public opinion through social media matters a lot. The BJP literally hires thousands of people just to spread atrocity propaganda and ragebait on Whatsapp, Facebook and Twitter. And everyone knows that the Zucc and Musk are complicit, because BJP IT cell mfs literally copy and paste posts without even checking for typo errors. They also routinely violate TOS. Being able to counter this effectively and spreading your own propaganda is very useful. Many people here don't realize that social media can serve as a gateway for future revolutionaries. The far-right already realizes this, and capitalizes on it. It is a propaganda tool, just like books and pamphlets.
Also, engaging in "real-life" praxis before developing a strong foundation of theory, knowledge and useful skills is actually counter-productive. Someone with a strong grasp of theory, a good level of fitness and a useful skill (medicine, engineering, trades etc.) is far more useful than someone who is undisciplined and constantly gets into trouble with the pigs for no reason. When the time finally comes, and large communities, even nations of people start organizing, the former will be in a much better position to lead people to victory. Just take Che as an example, or the countless lawyers who take up the cases of other revolutionaries. For someone pursuing this, social media can be a great tool for networking with other orgs and keeping up to date with current affairs.
On the pic OP posted, yeah it's kinda cringe, but it's also funny and endearing. People need to stop being so uptight. As long as someone isn't a deliberate wrecker, infiltrator, or Agent Kochinski tier horrible optics, it's ok. The far-right has far worse assholes in its ranks, like the kind who rape and murder children, and they still succeed at swaying people to their side. So leftists shouldn't be alienating people over dumb shit like this.
No.1839713
>>1839693>Being able to counter this effectively and spreading your own propaganda is very useful.Thinking you will out perform or be close to on par the state at its own game on its own platforms is very silly.
Are you going to start tv channels of 24h coverage also?
No.1839738
>>1839713Social media has been the single greatest medium in countering Israeli propaganda recently. Had it not been for footage from Gaza or the blatant incompetence of Israeli propagandists on social media, there would be nowhere near the amount of support for Palestine we're seeing today.
No.1839749
>>1839738Israel is a fun case with social media because you can see what people tweet in English and compare it with what they tweet in Hebrew. At the single press of a "translate" button the person who, in English, was speaking in such victimised and conciliatory tones, when read in hebrew, turns out to make /pol/ look like moderate enjoyers of genocide.
No.1839753
>>1839749On the matter of /pol/ what do these guys think of the genocide? On one hand they must hate everything jewish looking but on the other they have a craving for a western ethnostate which Israel is
No.1839760
>>1839693every time socialists talk about "organization", they're not talking about networking, nepotism, or forming friendships and relationships to directly benefit from better primitive wealth accumulation and collective action. they're talking about organization in an abstract sense, organizing a workplace being the main priority, but without any focus on befriending your coworkers or using fbi.gov servers to coordinate unionization efforts. any attempt at "organization" made by the online left is hampered by their inability to accept that companionship, friendship, and even romance, are all a part of organizing a labor movement. in this sense, the right is far more successful than the left at capitalizing on online users' lack of romance or lack of friends. the online left prioritizes parasocial relationships, such as pretending that pixels will save them from a FBI raid on their house, purely out of a delusional sense that the people chatting with them online are just as useful to them as friends and neighbors are. this is an incredible mistake in strategy, particularly because these parasocial relationships sabotage any engagement with realspace, with attempting to find people online to organize with in person, rather than finding people online to agree with and organizing ineffectively in person by having 0 comrades to back them up. the left has only one advantage over capitalist ideologues - collective action, and we do not prioritize it simply because our overly online compatriots are more interested in twitter squabbling or in LARPing as "organizers" than they are in actually organizing. the internet is the most powerful organizational tool in the world - you can communicate directly with people all over the world who agree with communism, but the moment organizing meetups or actually attempting to form close connections with your online comrades comes into question, suddenly they get cold feet. this will lead us to defeat if we don't change course.
No.1839793
>>1839760>the moment organizing meetups or actually attempting to form close connections with your online comrades comes into question, suddenly they get cold feetI'm guilty of this too, mostly because I'm actually scared of getting caught and tortured to death. Not to mention how I'd be risking not just my life, but the lives of everyone close to me. I don't want to get married for this exact reason, but my parents will eventually pressure me into doing it. I'll probably get into IRL shit only when I've helped my family settle in some other country.
No.1839795
>>1839793Dead Internet Theory posits that the internet is made up entirely of bots. You will be forced to stop using it once enshittification becomes too much to bear. I don't see why the left isn't preparing for the death of the globalized internet when the great firewall and russia's meshnet projects eventually coalesce into a new web, while the old web dies out, suffocated by the bourgeoisie's attempts to monetize digital information and install bloatware, spyware and backdoors into everything.
No.1839811
My critique with the protests is that they don't seem to serve a coherent purpose and have turned the discourse cycles unconsciously or not into being about themselves. Discourse and discussions that should be about Palestine are instead redirected to elite squabbled about campus norms and free speech. .
I'll also add that a lot of pro Palestinian protestors are not very smart (same with pro Israeli ones I guess but they're dumb in a less media friendly way). The people hanging out just off of Columbia U property and harassing faculty and other students have got to realize how counter productive that is right? Shouting "Go back to Belarus" isn't the same as forcibly arresting everyone, but it sure as hell doesn't look good, especially if there is an actual assault that comes out of it. But it does make for a good clip on CNN and twitter/facebook.
No.1839835
With these kinds of meta discussions the critics always come off 1000x worse than the subjects, because the subjects are actually doing things.
No.1839850
>>1839811Whether or not the media circus ends up centering students instead of Palestine isn't up to the students. How do some of you still not understand this. You will never overcome the bourgeois media machine by playing their game.
No.1839854
>>1839811>Shouting "Go back to Belarus" isn't the same as forcibly arresting everyone, but it sure as hell doesn't look goodIt doesn't look good but I think the people who do that tend to be emotional and hotheaded and they get filmed, but the organizers who lead these encampments don't tend to do that from what I've seen, they look fairly disciplined, and it's always a struggle to maintain message discipline.
No.1840312
>>1839811>Discourse and discussions that should be about Palestine are instead redirected to elite squabbled about campus norms and free speech. True, that's why we should redirect those discussions about Palestine, that have been redirected to elite squabbles over campus normas, to petty online meta squabbles over the communication style and aethetics of student protests like you are doing right now. This obviously is 1000 times more constructive.
No.1840313
>>1839835Liberals and their fetish for aesthetics and messaging.
No.1840338
>>1840312Also, any offline activity will correspond to a lot of corresponding online activity. People act like if online is happening then offline can't be happening or some shit.
Just fucking go out today and join a protest. STFU about internet shit for once.
No.1840389
>>1839811You don't know what you are talking about. You don't know how media works.
No.1840395
>>1839037Those examples are just attempts to humanize the Palestinian people and while I agree that it isn't effective, boomers/reactionaries will just go cognitive dissonant, it doesn't harm anything, as you said. Because of this, I don't get what the point of this thread is besides gatekeeping.
No.1840540
>>1840395not one person other then ultra westernised liberals thinks "Fatties 4 Palestine" is the most cringe inducing statement you can imagine
No.1840550
The media front is important, the US Military and Israeli Military, both have departments or organisations specifically fighting on the propaganda front.
Should we not be fighting on the propaganda front too? Look at breakthrough news for example, or the numerous individual users on tiktok reposting Kwame Ture, or the numerous individual users on twitter providing footage on the US University Protests.
Communism is the movement for freedom, shouldn't we be blasting the propganda and truth of freedom, or leave the job for the rich to blast their falsehoods?
No.1840553
>>1839037>You probably didn't know that x is actually was Invented by Palestinians" or discussing how Palestine is connected to the experiences of black or queer peoplethis is based thoughever
No.1840558
>>1840553To try to find issues with connecting struggles and exposing the clear lines of co-operation of international class war and imperialist projects is just absurd and transparent.
Obviously OP is baiting.
Why must we give it oxygen?
No.1840564
>>1840550 Look at this, the Chinese have established a journalism department at Columbia University.
【Columbia Journalism School | We Set Up an Editorial Department in 8 Hours - Bilibili】
https://b23.tv/1XasFcZ【We Found Chinese in Support of Gaza Camp at Columbia University - Bilibili】
https://b23.tv/kcjQMVg【Columbia Journalism | Jewish Freshman Across from the Palestinian Camp - Bilibili】
https://b23.tv/64Um0qH【Frontline! NYPD Enters Occupied Columbia Building, All Protesters Arrested - Bilibili】
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https://b23.tv/1XasFcZ【我们找到了哥大声援加沙营地里的中国人-哔哩哔哩】
https://b23.tv/kcjQMVg【哥大新闻｜巴勒斯坦营地对面的犹太新生-哔哩哔哩】
https://b23.tv/64Um0qH【前线！纽约市警进入哥大被占大楼 所有示威者被捕-哔哩哔哩】
https://b23.tv/wxepgZC No.1840572
>>1840564Brilliant, thanks for sharing anon
No.1855145
>Erm, actually, these people are DOING something!
You fuckers write this as though it were the ultimate zing.
As though protesting were some holy grail of purity in activist intentions. Yet you can't explain why it has accomplished nothing for the past forty years.
You aren't Marxists.
No.1855146
>>1855142>pic 2how is this anti-Semitic?
No.1855151
>>1855146There are a few fascist Christians basically pushing the narrative that the original Jews and Jesus were white Palestinians and that these current Jews are disgusting, lesser mixed beings claiming that heritage for themselves
No.1855152
>>1855151nta but i'll ask again, how is that tweet anti-semitic?
what the hell do these christian fascists you're talking about have to do with the tweet about that kid?
No.1855153
>>1855151I mean they’re half right, the original Semites are the ancestors of modern day Slavs, the word Palestine is even derived from the old Slavonic term for “burnt camp. The claim that Anglos like the kid in the picture have any connection to the tribes of Shem however is complete bullshit
No.1855157
>the original Semites are the ancestors of modern day Slavs
No.1855241
>>1855162>/newspape/Get thee away from me THOTskist
No.1855249
>>1839037The average Arab in 2024 is fat as fuck, fatter than the average American, so there is no problem with picrel.
No.1855286
>>1855249those are gulf arabs you nitwit
No.1855287
>>1855286Sorry c.hud but all arabs are r/chonkers in 2024.
No.1857120
>>1857105Martyrs for McDonalds.
No.1857374
>>1855153source? this is very interesting
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