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WHAT IS MULTIPOLARISMMultipolarism, in its most basic form, posits a world where multiple powers (countries or entities) exist in a state of relative equilibrium, challenging the unipolar hegemony led mainly by the United States post-Cold War. The emergence of China, the reassertion of Russia, the rise of regional powers like India, Brazil, and South Africa, among others, suggest a move towards this multipolar world.
BUT is it rly just Capitalism 2: Electric Boogaloo -
Neo-Dengism Edition? To what extent is multipolarism just capitalist nationalism for people not in green on this map? If the whole thrust of socialism is now just "America bad" what becomes of the classical socialist goals of workers control of the means of production, and abolishing class society?
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>>1830497>You are the front door of this great continent; we are the back doorWas Mao aware of the subtle sexual undertone this statement could assume?
No.1830860
>>1829902Every war now, including the one Iran is on the brink of, is competition between bourgeois states. These are all advanced bourgeois nations with developed state powers turning outward against one another, and the communist position is the same one Lenin supported in regards to the great war.
No.1830863
>>1830537>>1830539Sorry but complaining to workers that "X government is taking your money and giving it to Israel/Ukraine", ostensibly meant as a means of stirring them up and raising their consciousness, is in reality purely bourgeois rhetoric that does not move beyond the bounds of capitalist politics. Telling workers that the state is putting money to 'the wrong use' amounts to implying there is a 'correct use' of money beyond the function it serves for capital, thus by extension telling workers they have a stake in 'fixing' the distribution of surplus-value.
At least the fight for higher wages serves as an arena for struggle, to sharpen class antagonism and engage workers in strikes and confrontations, as long as communists do not support wage increases as an end in itself and definitely not because that money is 'rightfully' for the workers (it isn't).
No.1830868
>>1830860This, we must not fall into anti-americanism and forget about all the millitary bases Iran, Russia and China have spread across the world or their hegemony on finance and information
No.1830869
>>1830868Cool strawman. Despite all the theatrics the US and China have no problem doing business with each other, anyway.
No.1830871
>>1830863>amounts to implying there is a 'correct use' of moneythere is a correct use: bettering the lives of the working class
workers need to be made aware how many resources are being sent to the fascist states of ukraine and israel and the reason WHY so much is sent there to their detriment when they're barely able to pay their bills: because it's in america's elite interest to strangle russia, iran and china
No.1830905
>>1830860> advanced bourgeois nations with developed state powers turning outward against one anotherdo you actually think imperialism is when nations have "developed state power"? how does that make them turn outward against one another and what does it have to do with capitalism?
No.1830956
This is probably the dumbest idea I've ever heard of
No.1830958
With the last aid package the Us Congress seems to communicate that they are 100% behind war for the sake of unipolarity on three different fronts: Ukraine, Taiwan, and Palestine.
Personally I have the gut feeling they will lose on two fronts and win on one of them, but that's just my prediction
No.1830974
>>1830073> FrancsAnon, from which decade is that source from?
No.1836234
>>1830220https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/outsourcing-exploitation-global-labor-value-chains/There is a fantastic article written on it by Intan Suwandi, Author of Value Chains: The New Economic Imperialism
I recommend the series the article is a part of by OpenDemocracy, called decolonising the economy:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/decolonising-the-economy/Also in this is, John Smith's article, Imperialism in a coffee cup, Smith and Suwandi are really the best current authors on Imperialism, best explainers of it.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/imperialism-coffee-cup/ No.1837531
>>1829354the swan song of the desperate burger
No.1839491
>>1839477Well better tell China to start moving for global hegemony then, instead of cross-linking the imperial periphery and permanently destroying the global empire ☺️
No.1854918
>>1854773you gotta give more than that if you want people to watch an unknown youtuber rant for one hour and a half
No.1854959
>>1839477Then go build it you whiny worthless fuckbag.
No.1856029
Feel free to link me an article or any section written by Marx in support of multipolarity, liberal bros.
No.1856411
>>1590991As much as I like the original BRICS, it is clear that Russia, Brazil and South Africa are a lot less relevant than India and China at this point.
There should be a grouping with just India and China at this point. Russia is too involved in white supremacist politics to be trusted at this point.
No.1856423
>>1856420Chiang Kai Shek wasn't fascist. He was just a Nationalist.
No.1856426
>>1854918>/leftypol/ doesn't want to watch Communist geopolitical analysis sweatyThis is an actual active communist in the UK that doesn't dickride BRICS leaders and gives a realist analysis. There's no ranting, you got /isg/ for that.
No.1856429
>>1856426>active communist party in the west >relevant in the slightest *yawn* how many of those party members met with xi jingping or went to study in china or russia? absolutely none.
No.1856441
>>1856420>Should we work with fascistsThis faggy, opportunistic red-brown alliance shit being a daily talking point here is why I continually ask myself if leftypol should just be destroyed
No.1856448
>>1856441international struggle starts with a nationalist and more specifically anti-western struggle if you don't wanna win then fine go and jerk off with your trotskyist struggles about memey nonsense and vague notions of "class struggle above nations"
No.1856456
>Even Elon Musk finds that Xi Xinping is more desperate to please billionaires than Modi.
excuse me??
No.1856457
>general emphasis on developing the means of production in India
Marxoid ramblings kys
No.1856458
>>1856401>Is 3rd world Nationalism More Communist than communismNever was.
No.1856459
>>1856455go crawl back to whatever dnc funded psy-op you came from you fucking freak, unipolarity is the most dangerous threat the world has even seen and the fact that people like you can't see it and instead opt to attack other people fighting against hegemony is so fucking funny, like you actually think you're part of the struggle by selling newspapers and correcting people on /leftypol/ all the while actual communists and nationalists of the multipolar movement are working with russia and china to bring about a new era of prosperity for all.
No.1856462
>>1856460trotskyists are fascists that representthe DNC, if you've been keeping up you would've learned this years ago
No.1856463
>>1856459Nigha, the post I was responding to was your faggot ass literally claiming socialists and fascists should work together, please kill yourself in your fucking suburban hovel and stop larping as a communist just because you fap to pics of Stalin you fucking fag
>Muhh globalistKys
No.1856471
>>1856462>Literally propose socialists need to start working with fascists and neo-Nazis<Muh trotskyists are fascistsLeftypol Stalinists truly are the most cowardly scum of the Earth
These fuckers lie like they fucking breathe
Rat bastards that will unironically promote collaborating with fascists and then call
you the fascist for pointing out what a fucking cockroach they are
The only group in the socialist milieu regularly fascinated with, infatuated by, and desperate to work with fascists
Every accusation is a confession No.1856472
>>1856463every time socialists and fascists have worked together has been to our benefit; the SRs in russia were essentially fascist and the soviets worked with them when they were useful and chinese communists did the exact same thing with the KMT to liberate themselves from japanese oppression then you have groups like the KPD which formed combat squads multiple times to contain nationalist groups that were against the imperialist treaty of versailles and they were crushed for it. these are just provable historical facts.
No.1856473
>>1856472> every time socialists and fascists have worked together has been to our benefitStalinoids will never beat the red fascist accusations, nor should they
No.1856477
>>1856426here, have some vijay prashad, an actual internationally respected marxist, talk about imperialism and lenin and his actually researched analysis on hyper imperialism published on tricontinental
https://thetricontinental.org/studies-on-contemporary-dilemmas-4-hyper-imperialism/the different eras of imperialism he identify and the historical perspective he gives on lenin analysis are great, and the hyper imperialism article has tons of information, like the fact the US led imperial bloc have 75% of all military spending on earth.
>doesn't want to watch Communist geopolitical analysis just cause the man is a member to a communist party doesnt mean much. You havent said shit about what his perspective actually is or why it is valuable, just that his analysis is "clear eyed" and "doesn't dickride BRICS leader", which makes me guess you're some anti multipolarista retard. He doesnt seem to be widely known judging by his views, it isnt a discussion or interview, its just the man talking for one hour and a half, and Im not gonna bother trying to listen to that without you giving more than "huh its good watch it, also he shit on china and russia!"
>/isg/I have never even opened that thread. A guy talking alone is usually called ranting.
No.1856478
Why not just look at what Kerala is doing and scale that up? Kerala is an example of what the CPC would try to do if they had to run India. Religious nationalists are retarded and there are actual communists in India doing good work.
No.1856479
>>1856411>Russia is too involved in white supremacist politics what a retarded fucking post
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>>1856477also I forgot how he talk about the difference on old style fascism and the "resurgence" of it and how its very different in how it operates, now being integrated with liberalism and not needing any violent militia to get into power
No.1856483
>>1856401>Is Hindu Nationalism More Communist than the CCPNo. As told before, you are cringe and retarded.
Sage & Report.
No.1856486
>>1856477I watched this before and it was quite interesting, iirc. What of his books should i be reading to see these ideas more fleshed out?
No.1856488
>>1856401cant tell if this modi loving fuck is actually buying his own bullshit or just trying to gaslight us
No.1856510
>>1856477>A guy talking alone is usually called ranting.literal retardation
>here, have some vijay prashadnot retardation. I posted that article in the reading thread on /edu/ a few weeks ago, catch up sweaty
>just cause the man is a member to a communist party doesnt mean muchmore retardation. The guy is active and touching communist grass on the daily, more than you or I are doing. He's giving a communist geopolitical analysis of multipolarism relative to current events, which is why I posted it in the fucking multipolarism thread.
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