No.1845682
Is Platonism and Marxism/leftism compatible or is Plato just a proto fash? What about related ideas like Spinozism and neoplatonism?
>Neo-platonism (or Neoplatonism) is a modern term used to designate the period of Platonic philosophy beginning with the work of Plotinus and ending with the closing of the Platonic Academy by the Emperor Justinian in 529 C.E. This brand of Platonism, which is often described as ‘mystical’ or religious in nature, developed outside the mainstream of Academic Platonism. The origins of Neoplatonism can be traced back to the era of Hellenistic syncretism which spawned such movements and schools of thought as Gnosticism and the Hermetic tradition. A major factor in this syncretism, and one which had an immense influence on the development of Platonic thought, was the introduction of the Jewish Scriptures into Greek intellectual circles via the translation known as the Septuagint. The encounter between the creation narrative of Genesis and the cosmology of Plato’s Timaeus set in motion a long tradition of cosmological theorizing that finally culminated in the grand schema of Plotinus’ Enneads. Plotinus’ two major successors, Porphyry and Iamblichus, each developed, in their own way, certain isolated aspects of Plotinus’ thought, but neither of them developed a rigorous philosophy to match that of their master. It was Proclus who, shortly before the closing of the Academy, bequeathed a systematic Platonic philosophy upon the world that in certain ways approached the sophistication of Plotinus.
No.1845823
waiter waiter!!! more esoteric marxism please!!!
No.1845868
Didn't we have an exact LARPy thread like this like, a year ago?
No.1846134
>Is [philosophy] compatible with marxism?
The answer is always NO.
No.1846248
>>1845682Neoplatonism is idealist it, it's goal was to understand the qualitative nature of the world it has no practical application unless you take Plato's writings on politics and pragmatic matters as gospel.
No.1846250
You can aufhebunga bunga whatever aspect of whatever guys you want into some new schizo amalgamation. None of that matters. What matters is what actually functions in practice. It could be an idea that comes from a storied and ancient philosophical tradition or an observation made by a janitor who was just passing by the philosophy lecture hall.
No.1846286
It's all just grist for the Dialectical and Historical Materialism mill.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm No.1848453
>>1846248surprised to see christian-anon saying this considering how much neoplatonism influenced Christianity
No.1851337
>>1848453Christianity isn't really platonist as such the church fathers borrowed the language for the sake of self expression in the context of paganism there is nothing like the trinity in greek philosophy or any other religion really except superficial similarities.
No.1851368
>>1846248>Neoplatonism is idealist it, it's goal was to understand the qualitative nature of the worldBy that definition all natural scientists and medics are idealists, who knew?
>it has no practical application unless you take Plato's writings on politics and pragmatic matters as gospel.It's amazing to think how many marxists have gotten praxis wrong when all they had to was to take Marx's writings on politics and pragmatic matters as gospel.
>>1851337>Christianity is christian, not platonist>Christian trinity was first conceptualized by christiansWho could've guessed?
No.1851400
OP, Plato was proto-fash (see „Plato’s ‚Republic‘ and German Education‘‘, The Journal of Education, Vol. 77, No. 907, No. 910, No. 913; German version in: Otto Neurath Gesammelte philosophische und methodologische Schriften Band 2). Neo-Platonism is a very fuzzy term and I wouldn't use it.
No.1851412
>>1851400Yes, Neoplatonists didn't believe they had any original contribution but upheld Plato's oral tradition, they even believed that Aristotle was in harmony with Plato, that is Aristotle's teaching being the exoteric dimension and Plato's the esoteric and that Plato's writings were quasi divinely inspired.