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 No.1810736[View All]

Do you think modern day fascists / abstract right wing authoritarians, anti democratic racists have the capacity to evolve beyond their larp stage and become something more deadly relative to "allowing" themselves to be co-opted into power or normalizing their politics? What could actually generate support for a new fascist-coded type of party or organization to rise in the United States?
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 No.1838271

Use ( ( ( memes ) ) ) to convince idiot 4chan siegefag nerds to groom each other into being cop killers. The burger cops are known to do training with the IDF, we can pretend all the CP they find on nazis is 'planted', and they already screech about that sherwood faggot. it won't be hard at all. Proxy warfare is how all the pros do it.

 No.1838275

Just make up low effort shit like 'Thin Jew Line', it's easy, they'll love it.

 No.1838296

I don't think so because its the eternal boogeyman of liberals, neoliberals with forever use it as a scare tactic to get useful idiots like antifa to do their bidding

 No.1838299

>>1838296
You're right but you still say governments can one day push the fascism button but refuse to. It's a strictly historical thing that won't be repeated under the current conditions.

 No.1838635

>>1810736
>Can fascism rise in the United States
No. Fascism was specific to countries which had both a strong dislike of international communism AND liberal capitalism. Let us not forget, fascism is not just "when the government does stuff and that stuff is antisemitic", fascism is control of BOTH Labor and Corporations by the state in such a way to benefit the state the most. All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state. It is a mixed economy model with dubious private property rights (a lot of privatizations were outright scams to extract money from foreign investors and domestic bourgeoisie and gradually that same national bourgeoisie became even more subservient to the state which restricted profits and meddled in governance of companies), however it is not communism because it supports private property and specifically petty bourgeois. Nevertheless, United States is only 10% more likely to accept fascism than communism (but 1.1 * 0 is still 0), because most Americans lean hard liberal on economics which means that even the smallest control of government in wealth distribution and welfarism, let alone corporate governance is entirely out of the question. On the other hand, Pinochet-like government is not just possible to manifest, but more and more probable with the decline of American regime.

 No.1838640

Yes, read J. Sakai Shock of Recognition.

 No.1838833

>>1838640
>read J. Sakai
Stopped reading there

 No.1838888

>>1838635
>No. Fascism was specific to countries which had both a strong dislike of international communism AND liberal capitalism.
I suspect that also emerged because of particular conditions as an imitation of classical imperialist countries by the non- or less-imperialist countries of mainland Europe. This ends up making fascism look more like a real anti-systemic reactionary force, albeit on caught in the mechanisms of capital, or anti-capitalism as a crisis which destroys capital while also being internal to it, while seeking to break with the political superstructure of the capitalist world system. It's probably not a coincidence that it took hold in states that previously had some colonial expansion but had lost them in the half century leading up to its peak period.

Also probably not a coincidence that the modern regimes most closely resembling fascism are almost all located in the semi-periphery. None of these are fascist per se, but closer to that than anyone else and occupy a position similar to that of Italy before 1939. An American dictatorship meanwhile would probably look different, but whatever, these hypotheticals are of little worth anyway.

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>>1838888
>Also probably not a coincidence that the modern regimes most closely resembling fascism are almost all located in the semi-periphery. None of these are fascist per se, but closer to that than anyone else and occupy a position similar to that of Italy before 1939. An American dictatorship meanwhile would probably look different, but whatever, these hypotheticals are of little worth anyway.

Y'know I think that's why Mosley's texts seem so interesting to me, because his Fascism was developed for the global hegemon of his time and thus took a departure from some elements of Italian and German Fascism. The most notable being how it was less expansionist and more "lax" or "liberal" in some regards. His focus was repeatedly on shoring up the existing hegemony, even at the cost of "making room" for competitors like Germany, Italy, and Japan.

You can kind of see a reflection of this in the MAGA movements broad focus on pseudo-isolationism. I call it pseudo-isolationism because they'd have no problem running to defend, say, Israel, but the expansionist project of NATO into Eastern Europe isn't something that interests them.

Granted Isolationism is a current that runs throughout American history. So it's not like Trump's movement necessarily is Fascist, rather it can appeal to Fascists in a similar manner to how Bernie's campaign could appeal to Socialists.

 No.1838983

>>1810750
>they can't understand why the various shirts-militias existed in the first place, or what they did other than "fight leftists."
>Mosley's Blackshirts beat up tax collectors trying to get some church tithe from farmers. The Brownshirts sold cigarettes. ᴉuᴉlossnW's Blackshirts were more combat oriented, granted, but it wasn't like they didn't have people winning hearts and minds–Casapound set up a youth hostel and health clinic. The Falange supported workers co-ops.

to be fair, i remember them doing some flood relief work. still larping retards but still

 No.1839002

these faggots marched through my town couple days ago

 No.1839074

>>1838635
>>1838888
Figured I’d also say that “Fascist Anti-Capitalism” or opposition to liberal capitalism might not be a correct term. For example, if one were to hate Coca-Cola would they be considered “anti-soda”? Even if they drank Pepsi regularly? There are aspects of Capitalism Fascists dislike, but the fascist critique of Capitalism never ascends to a universal critique. In a way, the old fascist slogan “Me No Frego” (“I don’t care”) is a perfect encapsulation of it. Fascism doesn’t see it as a mission to banish Capitalism from the globe. Instead anti-capitalist fascism manifests in a kind of particularism. At times this can mean that they take radical steps that go beyond what a mere liberal or conservative is capable of—nationalizing whole industries or setting up state-run cooperatives, but it’s almost never moving towards a total abolition of Capitalism and the wage system. In fact Fascists who’ve read Kapital (of which there’s only a few, Mosleyites are most notable) argue that the various problems emerging from Capitalism result from finance capital rather than whomever owns physical capital. They broadly reject the quest to abolish capitalism in its entirety.

A good way to think about it is a metaphor I quite like—Caesar and Spartacus both recognized the slave owning patricians of the Late Republic as their enemies, but Spartacus did because he was a slave himself and Caesar was a populare. Spartacus sought to end the Roman slave system in its entirety. Caesar ultimately regulated the number of slaves a man could own to stabilize the Republic and improve the lot of the common Romans. Caesar, however, didn’t upturn the entirety of Roman slave society nor was he moving towards a general abolition of slavery.

And I think that gets to the root of the problem. Why Marxism has such a hard time in western countries (beyond mere suppression) it’s that for most of us, our class position isn’t necessarily that of the “slaves” of Rome (who Marx acknowledged as an ancient proletariat) but the Plebians. A Caesar seems more natural to us than a Spartacus.

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>>1839002
Did they do anything besides do their historical reenactment scit?

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>>1810736
>can fascism rise in the United States?
I'd argue it's already there.

 No.1839220

>>1839212
they gave a speech at the capital building and then left

 No.1839237

As stated above by the Lukacs quote I think fascism could be utilized only when US institutions utterly fail to solve their internal dissent. But this is very unlikely. Even if the Palestinian protests manage to form a vanguard, the police can respond with more force than doing arrests.

The fascists can grow by the state's complacency but don't really have a place in it. Unless the police and military forces in general are forced to retreat by the real movement.

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>>1839212
>Did they do anything besides do their historical reenactment scit?
I've only seen them do LARP for the past few years. They could be relatively more physically confrontational when they were starting out… but not that much. They'd show up and make a lot of noise at anarchist events and try to scare them before booking it. The leader, Tom, was a member of a different group called Vanguard America and then took it over and changed the name after the demonstration in Charlottesville descended into mayhem. That's how Patriot Front started. There were a couple of guys wearing the Vanguard America uniforms that got violent (as well as James Fields, the guy who later went solo and drove his car into the crowd) but the group as a whole didn't seem like they were on the front lines of that so much.

I suspect the nature of the group (and this is probably true for most radical political groups) is that probably 10% of the people in it are actually willing or chomping to get violent, or can fight in some kind of way. The other 90% are nerds who'd panic. Certainly, you have to suspect that any group that marches around like they do attracts men with insecurity issues or who feel weak and powerless. They're potentially violent but they want to provoke people into lashing out at them first. They don't seem to have the kind of lunatic energy they (or some of them) did in 2017 right after Trump got elected.

 No.1839242

>>1810736
It's already here, disguised as liberalism

 No.1839553

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>>1839242

I lurk and normally don't post because it's not my space, but just because this is the topic:

The "muh joos" is a bigger deal than most admit. I was a Libertarian then MAGA but I'm no basement virgin. A few years ago I started to admit the impotence of Liberalism to the point I started looking to the East for an ally, and have studied Arabic and Islam and even though I'm a serious Christian, I've grown an admiration for Islam and at least consider alternative possibilities including gnosticism, Sufism, etc.

The most deeply held LITERALLY religious beliefs I've finally got the point where I can at least comfortably "imagine" another alternative to orthodox Christianity. Also, now I DO feel genuinely very angry when I hear or see the brutality against Palestinians, but the driving force behind this was Jewish domination of the institutions and their ability to play both sides.

I've even started to use very Marxist type language criticizing Rothschild colonialism as well as responding to teachers that "criticizing systems of power often is uncomfortable" and "Nazi and terrorist are thought-stopping cliche's used to deny people sovereignty" I talk about "victim blaming" and the Sacklers as an opium war. I've tried reframing the "Nationalist movements" of Western Europe in the earlier 20th century as "indigenous Germans overthrowing their Zionist colonizers."

Most importantly, right now, for the first time, I'm at least able to comfortably "consider" in my mind an alternative to property. That's literally like a religious level barrier the mind normally won't even cross, similar to me at least considering Islam in my mind. And it's all due to being so fed up with the Hegelian dialectic Jews play called "Esaus Gambit.">>1839242

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>>1839002
Why doesn't someone just shoot these guys or run them over? Not trying to fedpost genuinely curious why nobody's done it yet

 No.1839592

>>1839553
>white nationalism presenting itself as a national liberation movement
You sound like a skitzo, but I do think it is possible to frame wn in such a manner. Perhaps if it was done by people who were sane and took their meds it could actually work. I could see this happening in Ireland because of their colonial history and their is a big anti-immigration moment in Ireland, but unlike in other countries with immigration, the Irish anti-immigration movent isn't dumb elderly conservatives but right wing smashes who burn buildings.

 No.1839595

>>1839576
Because no on wants to go to jail.

 No.1839599

>>1839595
come on, do something illegal. For the larp! Don't worry you will change the world shooting people, then, you post on facebook how much you have accomplished in jail!

 No.1839603

>>1839599 (me)
t. Porky

 No.1839622

>>1839595
and today there isn't no comparable movement like the panther's to mobilize public support for whoever runned over nazis with a car

 No.1839914

>>1839622
I feel like there's plenty of support for violence against nazis, people are just too cowardly

 No.1840027

>>1839074
>There are aspects of Capitalism Fascists dislike, but the fascist critique of Capitalism never ascends to a universal critique
Some of the national fascist party of Italy, mussolini included and literally half if not more of nazi party were previously involved with Marxist, communist parties. ᴉuᴉlossnW's father was also a communist. Now I don't know what happened to each and every one, I know that Hitler saw something that made him disgusted at communism, but he does not say what that was. But the rest, they did not just stop believing that capitalism was bad because Hitler said Marxism was jewish. People think only SA and Strasserists were Marxists but that is not the case. In his diaries, Goebbels expressed extreme discontent that Hitler labelled the (far left) economics of Socialism as something Jewish.
"It would be better for us to go down with Bolshevism than live in eternal slavery under Capitalism" - Joseph Goebbels
I don't know how the private property operated in the reich, there are books I didn't read but I know it had a massive welfare state. Job as a right. Subsidized housing. Nothing like that could be supported in the United States.
Semantics are besides the point though. Even if it was only a partial dislike of capitalism, American right does not dislike capitalism AT ALL. No, not even partially.

 No.1840032

>>1840027
People forget that Hitler was dangerous to the left because he pretended to be a left winger. He talked like a left winger but governed like a right winger, at least internationally (he always sided with the capitalists over communists). That is how he managed to slip through and catch leftists off guard and kill them while maintaining popularity. Honest right wing dictatorships like Pinochet, they are not popular and have to be enforced via a foreign empire. Hitler on the other hand could sustain himself without any problems because of that. Talk is also incredibly important, I cannot stress this enough, how many leftist leaders gave Hitler planty of room and benefit of the doubt BECAUSE he talked like a leftist. Stalin did not think Hitler would attack him, even though he constantly went on shizo rants about Jude Bolsevism. If a honest right winger did that, he would prepare himself for an attack immediately.

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>>1840027
>>1840032
Okay so elaborating a bit more on Nazism, Fascism, and Anti-Capitalism.

In the case of the Nazis they had one extremely good method for ensuring loyalty within elite strata, and that was good old fashioned nepotism. With a lot of Jewish people losing employment (especially in things like academia and white collar work) you could get far by just putting on the arm band, going to a few meetings, and flashing your party membership. Now I would characterize the Nazi party as much further to the Right than the Italian Fascists; for example the guy in charge of the German Labor Front, Robert Ley, was a drunk who'd wantonly embezzle union dues. By contrast the first head of the General Confederation of Fascist Syndical Corporations, Edmondo Rossoni, was a syndicalist that worked with the IWW, said that Capitalists would eventually be rendered obsolete, and scared industrialists enough that one of them mused on funding the Communists to fight the Fascists.

That said, the form that "anti-capitalism" took in the Nazi regime was fairly simplistic. The "Strength Through Joy" program implemented by Hitler and Ley was more or less an attempt at tiding workers over with bread and circuses. More interesting might be the creation of the Volkswagen and German autarky. The former was a case of Hitler demanding auto producers create a car for the German Public valued at about 1,000 marks I believe. When they said it wasn't feasible, the state stepped in to direct production. This was something of a PR victory for the Nazis and a chance to flex some supposed "socialist" credentials. Automakers couldn't produce an inexpensive, well-functioning car for cheap, so the state set itself towards it and succeeded. Then there's the matter of Autarky, which is tangentially related to the "Sea Power vs Land Power" conflict that pops up throughout the study of foreign affairs and geopolitics. Heartland theory, too. The interesting thing is that while "Sea Power vs Land Power" was developed predominantly by the British and Americans (sea powers both) and frankly biased in its analysis, it was later grasped on to by individuals from Land Powers and flipped on its head.

Sea Power vs Land Power

Apologies if that sounded incoherent, allow me to explain. British intellectual Hartford J. Mackinder analyzed geopolitics as a kind of conflict between "Sea Powers" of the West and "Land Powers" of the East. He attributed to "Sea Powers" a kind of innate liberalism, prosperity, and "civilized" quality that emanated from the relative freedom of the open ocean. He contrasts this with the East, which was the site of huge conflicts between nomadic warrior tribes that caused waves of migration Westward. To Mackinder, the "East" represented a kind of asiatic autocracy, militarism, and barbarism. In regards to Germany, in particular, he divides it. The Western German principalities, through trade via the Hanseatic League, had the "civilized" qualities of the Western, Sea Power nations. On the other end of Germany you had Prussian militarism as the representative of a kind of "asiatic autocracy" which he saw as perpetually in a life-or-death struggle with the civilized world.

Now what's interesting is that figures like Spengler (and Dugin today, I believe) flipped that dichotomy on its head. Rather than being mere "barbarians" Spengler claimed that Land Powers, again represented in Germany by militaristic Prussia, had a kind of noble collectivism in contrast to the individualist Sea Powers. The individual finds meaning via service to the collective whole. Values like self-sacrifice and discipline were noble traits to Spengler, in contrast to the turbulent and self-interested nature of sea powers. Finally, Spengler claimed that Land Power distinguished between trade and war, whereas to sea powers trade was a weapon in asymmetrical warfare. Spengler would go on to say that when a Land Power fights war, it usually goes for a decisive battle and discriminates between combatants and non-combatants, such that if your country were defeated, the civilian population wouldn't be purposefully endangered unless they chose to fight. To Spengler, the "sea power" method of warfare doesn't discriminate between combatants and non-combatants; they would sanction an entire country to starve civilians and soldiers both.

Understand that dichotomy, and German Autarky can make sense as a rational pursuit of sovereignty against the asymmetrical warfare of sea powers. Dugin shares those sentiments and applies them to a Russian context.

Fascist Corporatism and Anti-Capitalism
By contrast to the Nazis and their simplistic ideas of Capitalism and Socialism, (let's not forget Hitler essentially said "Socialism" to him meant "the common good" and Spengler called Marxism "the Capitalism of the working class"), Fascist Corporatism was at least more theoretically advanced. It at least had more foresight than simply reacting to problems as they occurred. It maybe had its highest theoretical expression in Oswald Mosley's economic thoughts and had a complicated history in Fascist Italy. If I remember correctly, ᴉuᴉlossnW didn't see corporatism as necessarily an end unto itself, so much as a means of quelling the turbulent social situation in Italy. In contrast to Hitler, ᴉuᴉlossnW was arguably more flexible with his enemies: pardoning some, hiring some, imprisoning others, releasing a few, etcetera.

The goal of corporatism was to replace class conflict with class collaboration. The premise being by giving workers and management both representation, with the all-powerful state acting as an intermediary, you could curb the worst excesses of Capitalism without a wholesale violent revolution. How the corporate form ultimately looked was subject to some vastly different interpretations; Lawrence Dennis in America perceived it as almost "buying off" the huge industrial enterprises. They would be absorbed into the state and lose some independence, while ultimately keeping their lives and property. Mosley took a more in-depth analysis, asserting that the ultimate goal of his Corporate state was to create a closed off internal market within the British Empire that would simultaneously allow wages to rise, work days to shorten, and ultimately: "world peace." I'm more familiar with his writings than most others given the relative ease in coming across English texts (given he was, y'know, English).

Mosley almost seems to graze Marxist economic thought. Certainly, a few of his followers were familiar with Marx. For example on war, I believe he asserted most wars were caused by nations seeking new markets as a result of overproduction which, it seems, is not too alien to Lenin's writings on Imperialism. Mosley very much believed in the state as a kind of "scientific manager" and it's reiterated in a lot of his writing. He emphasized the need to balance a nation's productive capabilities with consumption, his appeals to corporatism were an outgrowth of a kind of technocratic thought. He saw liberal democracy as ultimately unable to overcome economic crises in part because of the individual ignorance and inefficiencies of elected politicians. By turning the machinery of state over to technical experts and scientific management, he believed he could overcome the recurring crises of Capitalism without necessarily abolishing private property. He seems to believe way too much in the merit of managers, however, as he snidely remarked that Communism would mean having janitors and menial laborers making executive-level decisions.

In Summary some Fascists approached economic thought that almost appear anti-capitalist, but they'd never make the plunge into full Communism. Lawrence Dennis in particular seemed broadly sympathetic, as he decried America's imperialism in central America, repeatedly railed against Capitalism, but ultimately saw Fascism as the way forward, I think in part because the appearance Communism had in Western countries was that of causing a bloody civil war, murdering the entire upper class, then rebuilding from the ruins. To some extent it almost seems humanistic! An inability to wholly liquidate the ruling class and a hope that you could overcome them without killing them. I don't know enough to know whether anything from the autarky to the corporatist system could have succeeded; I'm not smart enough for that. But the results in ᴉuᴉlossnW's Italy were mixed. Even he admitted that the ruling classes fought tooth and nail against his more radical ideas, and it took them openly starting a civil war to state the "true" Fascist revolution could begin (at which point he nationalized something like 75% of Italy's economy) which was likely too little, too late.

 No.1840174

>>1810834
or we could go like rome and get the american empire.

 No.1840178

>>1810736
I had this same thought and asked my friend about it and what he thinks something like a Putin like illiberal democracy would start to come about.

 No.1840184

>>1823820
what from what I know of Spartacus he never wanted total liberation of all roman slaves he just wanted not to be a slave. There was never this conscious you see now a days with the down trodden.

 No.1840205

>>1840184
We know very little of the man himself, so he's become more symbol than man at this point. Even his motive, whether he wanted to simply flee with the rest of the slaves or seek wider social revolution, are still unknown to us. Let's not forget that Rome literally experienced a general strike among the Plebs early in its history.

 No.1842115

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>fascism is whatever phenomenon I don't like that isn't even exclusive to the only historical period where fascism was ever a thing, both before and after

Bourgeois states arresting and even murdering people is in fact quite a normal affair and has been since the beginning of bourgeois society. I'm reminded of Marx's sardonic line on 19th century Belgium, famous for massacring striking workers, here: 'The earth performs not more surely its yearly revolution than the Belgian Government its yearly Working Men’s massacre.'

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1869/belgian-massacre.htm

With just a little liberal brain rot, you can transform even Peterloo into an exhibition of 'proto-fascism'.

If one interprets it to mean that fascist methods were universalized by the state following WW2, it implies the opposite of what liberals are saying - instead of the US being fascist, fascism in reality does not exist anymore since it's been fully incorporated into the democratic state.

 No.1842147

>>1842115
It'd be interesting if someone compiled an extensive list of crimes committed by bourgeois states before the October revolution of Russia. It would be an entertaining pastime to read over them in my free time.

 No.1842152

>>1840160
>scared industrialists enough that one of them mused on funding the Communists to fight the Fascists.
Source for that claim?

 No.1842153

>>1842147
Here's one that's been completely memoryholed by the whole country:
>The Santa María School massacre was a massacre of striking workers, mostly saltpeter works (nitrate) miners, along with wives and children, committed by the Chilean Army in Iquique, Chile, on December 21, 1907. The number of victims is undetermined but is estimated to be over 2,000.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Mar%C3%ADa_School_massacre

 No.1842233

>>1842153
And that's just one of the maaany massacres commited by the chilean state against workers, every single one is memoryholed. Looking at the current (pro-cop)political situation i'd even say Pinochet is forgotten to some extent too lmao
Here's another
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matanza_de_La_Coru%C3%B1a

 No.1842276

>>1842153
>>1842233
lol https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor%C3%ADa:Masacres_en_Chile

this shit is infuriating, especially when the president of the c.u.t. wasted the international workers days speech on bootlicking the police just because some cops got killed by narcos

 No.1842366

>>1842115
liberals brag about "defeating fascism" in ww2 and, largely, they did. they didn't eliminate it (franco, etc.) but did neuter it as a movement. however, this neglects that the WAY they did that was by absorbing it, and as such taking on a large number of its properties themselves

the main reason the fascist movement is so weak today isn't because it has been crushed, but because it has been assimilated. in a way, liberals have adopted so much of its ideological demands that's it's basically obsolete. they replaced rather than dissolved it, and this is why the major fascist movements today are almost entirely aesthetics based btw. because that's really the only thing worth demanding for a modern fascist as liberalism is largely just doing what they want less openly aggressively but more effectively

 No.1842375

>>1842366
>liberals brag about "defeating fascism" in ww2 and, largely, they did.

Wrong once again, the Soviet union killed more then 76% of nazis germany soldiers

 No.1842377

>>1842375
at least read a whole post before quipping

 No.1842386

>>1842377
Well i don't have much to say about your post about modern fascist and liberalism being the same thing today, nothing that has already been said.

But the first point you made, that "liberals defeated fascism" is quite wrong. Liberals funded or ignored completely the fascist threat. They supported Franco and ignore completely the destruction of the treaty of Versailles, and so so much. The "liberals" are responsible to the spread of fascism, not its destruction. The soviets destroyed fascism. Those are opposites.

 No.1842391

>>1842386
>they didn't eliminate it (franco, etc.) but did neuter it as a movement. however, this neglects that the WAY they did that was by absorbing it, and as such taking on a large number of its properties themselves
dude. read the post

 No.1842435

>>1842152
<Source for that claim?

Italian Industrialists from Liberalism to Fascism: The political development of the industrial bourgeoisie, by Franklin Hugh Adler, Page 311

https://archive.org/details/italianindustria0000adle/page/310/mode/2up

>"At April, referring to information passed along to Donati, editor of the Catholic newspaper Il Popolo, Salvemini noted: 'An industrialist of Turin told Donati that in his circle people have begun asking themselves if it might now be wise to pay the Communists to fight the Fascists!' In early May, the future Communist leader Palmiro Togliatti wrote to Gramsci in Moscow that 'the industrial classes are rather wary of the new regime, fearing unpredictable developments in the class struggle with Fascist syndicates."


I believe the Salvemini he's referencing may be Gaetano Salvemini, who was a Socialist and anti-fascist, so it's not like this is coming from the regime itself or some super 4D chess propaganda.

Edmondo Rossoni, the person I was referencing, spent some time with the IWW and prior to becoming a Fascist, would even spit on the Italian flag, so it's not like he started as a virulent nationalist. It was, however, Racism he encountered in America directed at Italian workers that ultimately led him to rediscovering his nationalism.

He described, while a Fascist, industrialists as "Apathetic, Passive, and Ignorant" and believed that under Fascism the workers would be trained in the running of large enterprises with the goal of ultimately taking them over and doing away with a capitalist/industrialist class in its entirely.

 No.1842438

>>1842391
How does that part of your post makes the argument presented invalid?

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 No.1846342

>>1838133
I don't see this development as necessarily a bad thing, because to me it seems that this process is actually splitting reaction. While I am not expecting anyone to seriously pull off a Red-Brown alliance, just the fact that reaction cannot treat White Nationalists as a reliable ally is a tremendous victory for the left.


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