No.1809964
>>1809963Vedanta is objectively correct.
No.1809965
You know how middle class people with too much time on their hands get involved into cults and all that buddhism shit? Probably something with that.
No.1809968
>>1809965>>1809964Why can't we have a fascist movement that culturally appropriates sufism.
Now that would be kino lol
No.1809970
>>1809965Middle class people with a lot of time on their hands also get invested in Marxism to be fair
No.1809973
>>1809964>Religion revolving around a blue alien street shitting god is objectively correctAnon I…
No.1809979
>>1809973It is too big brain for you.
No.1809982
>>1809963Abrahamism was seen as a subversive Semitic influence so they took inspiration from Hinduism which is culturally and racially a indo-aryan and caucasian religion.
No.1809984
According to linguistic theory the speakers of PIE migrated to India and dominated the region to the point where most modern Indian languages are descended from PIE, and so Nazi theorists had the idea that the Aryans mentioned in the Vedas were these speakers of PIE and were actually the original white people. So they held that their mixing with a native black population would be why Indians have brown skin today and why India went from a dominant capital of culture (supposedly because they were dominated by white Aryans) to being colonised (supposedly because the Aryans interbred with blacks). Because the speakers of PIE also migrated throughout Europe and their language evolved into the Greek, Italic, Celtic, etc languages, the Nazis held the idea that these Aryans were the bearers of culture who eventually mixed with the natives in the lands they conquered and that their blood becoming diluted led to cultural decline. So, because Germany and the Nordic countries supposedly still had high percentages of pure Aryan people, they would be the vanguard of a struggle to crush the non-Aryan peoples and ensure the continuation of a pure Aryan bloodline, as racemixing would otherwise lead to a loss of Aryan culture and the abilities that the Nazis attributed to the Aryan race.
No.1809986
>>1809984Is any of it true tho?
About an Aryan Indo European race that conquered parrs of India or were Aryans just regular brown people
No.1809990
>>1809987Hmm for me to give you a good overview… well as I heard a yogi say, Indians basically invented math and science before they discovered this world isn't real. Nothing you do in this world matters at all really.
Basically they are the ones who most scientifically studied the imaginary nature of our existence.
No.1809991
>>1809986I'm not expert, but I think there's at least some similarities between Proto-Indo-Europeans and what we'd call "traditional" European culture. For example you've got the Greeks worshipping a storm god called Zeus, the Germanics had Thor, the Slavs had Perun, the Proto-Indo-Europeans had Perkʷūnos, said storm god wielded a hammer called ml̥dʰnis I believe; so it's… I mean, if you squint you can see the correlation.
>>1809990If the world isn't real, then how can I get drunk? Checkmate, Atheists.
No.1809992
>>1809990>>1809990>this world isn't real.Elaborate
No.1809996
>>1809992Basically let us say that existence is the dream of God and God is the only real thing in existence. With vedanta you will come to the realization of God as you. Again hard to explain. Your individuality is God getting deep into role-playing the bazillion they are roing as right now. At the same time you can so to say wake yourself out of the character you are role-playing as.
No.1809997
>>1809993It is interesting because they preach brahmacharya and the rest of the yamas as a precursor, but the message is later that once you become developed enough you are immune to karma like I said.
No.1809998
>>1809996How is that different from every monist or pantheistic worldview present in nearly all religions.
Kabbalah, gnosticism, sufism, taoism all believe similar things
No.1809999
>>1809997So you have to be trad and based before being allowed to become a mega coomer?
No.1810000
>>1809998Vedanta preaches the universality of religion. No one has a trademark on the truth. Many people independently come to the same truth.
Many people around the world came to the same astronomical observations. That is just a sign of validity.
Anyways vedanta has put it more clearly and succinctly than any other I have seen.
No.1810001
>>1810000Weirdly I started getting into the beliefs of the Persian assassin order. They have put out religious scholars that are still being studied in qom Iran to this day and they have weird beliefs that come very close to vendata. All while retaining the belief that the Quran is the word of god. It's extremely neoplatonistic too
No.1810002
>>1810000Which books about Vedanta should I start with?
I have a copy of the baghavat Gita but I've never read it
No.1810006
>>1809996What is the purpose of worshipping god then? And praying and all that. That ultimately leads to nohilism
No.1810007
>>1810002Read the yoga sutra of Patanjali. You can't get a more straight to the point guide. This is how it starts, no bullshit.
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Samâdhi-pâdaï
I. Integration
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atha yogânuåâsanam
atha = now
yoga = process of yoking; union
ânuåâsanam = teaching, exposition
Now, the teachings of yoga.
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yogaå citta-vëtti-nirodhaï
yogaï = process of yoking; union
citta = consciousness
vëtti = patterning, turnings, movements
nirodhaï = stilling, cessation, restriction
Yoga is to still the patterning of consciousness.
I.3 ™ÆŸ Æ˙œ¢‹Å —Δ∆¬¥‰ÉΔ∆—¨Ÿ≤ºÎ
tadâ draæøuï svarûpe ‘vasthânam
tadâ = then
draæøuï = seer, witness, pure awareness
svarûpe = own essence, identity
avasthânam = state of abiding
Then, pure awareness can abide in its very nature
You will probably need a companion text commentary, I started with Raja Yoga by Vivekananda but any are probably good.
No.1810011
>>1809984This.
It should also be added that for some time, people assume "Arya" was the endonym of the Proto-Indo-Europeans, but that theory was already refuted during the Nazi period, and now we know Arya was only used by the Indo-Iranians.
No.1810012
Another thing they preach, at a certain level of attainment books and mentors will have no value. Real anarchist shit. Develop your own connection with God and go from there.
No.1810017
>>1809991>If the world isn't real, then how can I get drunk? Checkmate, Atheists.The world is compromised of the mutable and the immutable and we can say science in general is the drive to reach the immutable, so called laws of nature. But perhaps there is something even more immutable than the laws of nature behind our experience itself.
No.1810018
Idealism, idealism everywhere comrade.
No.1810046
the swastika was everywhere across different cultures
the idea of a common "indo-european" cultural heritage came about in the 19th century and sometimes combined with racial ideas of the time, and somehow the swastika was attached to some idea of ancient aryanness and filtered through esoteric right-wing study circles to the early nazi party
dumb things can simply just catch on among people without much critical thinking ability, which the nazis did not have a lot of
No.1810050
>>1810006ritual and religious study gets you closer to understanding and accepting the unity of being. the unified nature of reality as god doesnt preclude the significance of percieved divisions, those perceptions of difference are just ultimately illusory. but you cant understand the nature of the illusion without engaging in difference. theres a vedanta term for it that i cant remember, but describes the phenomena of having a kind of "aha" moment when you realize youve been misunderstanding somethings nature, classic example is mistaking a rope for a snake. you feel & behave fundamentally differently when percieving the rope as a snake, and upon realizing its a snake you have a moment of realignment towards a truer knowledge. the jdea is that responsible engagement with the world in general, along the lines laid out by vedanta practice, will eventually allow you to have this "aha" moment with all of reality, releasing you from the cycle of reincarnation
No.1810051
>>1809973you affirm the hindu caste system by making fun of "street shitters" aka untouchables victimized by caste
No.1810053
>cultural appropriation leads to nazism
Who would’ve thought?
No.1810064
>>1810061How do we react knowing there never will be anymore meaningful absolution than exists in the here and now.
No.1810067
>>1810064>>1810061I think that is the crux, can we embrace futility and omnipotence at the same time?
No.1810104
>>1809973I want to physically throttle every smug imperial core bourgeois failson lickspittle chinlet who utters the phrase "street shitter"
No.1810105
>>1809963idk why does the entirety of western europe worship a God invented in West Asia during the late bronze age?
No.1810176
>>1809986It's generally agreed upon now that there was a proto-Indo European language and that speakers of this language migrated from the Ponto-Caspian steppe to Europe, India, and Persia around 2000 BC. The languages of these regions are mostly descended from that spoken by these migrants, and in some cases its thought that they successfully conquered and destroyed the previous civilizations of these regions. Some argue that the Indus Valley Civilization was destroyed by PIE invasions for example. That's about where the similarities end though. PIEs were not same race of super men, just the same kind of warlike steppe nomads that would periodically plague settled peoples up to the days of Ghengis Khan. They didn't have a united empire or civilization, their culture was always heavily influenced by the people they came into contact with, and they were themselves beaten by later generations of non-Indo-European steppe migrants like the Huns and Mongols. We're also not really sure what they looked like, so they may not even have been "white" in any recognizable sense.
No.1810219
>>1810176>Guenon was rightHoly shit. The vedas were written by white Ukrainian Slavs.
No.1810280
>>1809965Hey I may be middle class but I can still fall down
No.1810309
>>1810280Heh good one tone
No.1810338
I mean what is so odd about that?
We communists fly hammer and sickle, yet we haven't been a workers movement for decades.
No.1810343
>>1810219Well they were written by people who spoke the same language as the people who would eventually diverge into Ukrainian slavs like 3000 years later.
No.1810348
>>1810331>picWestoids can't imagine actual religious beliefs outside their tradition so they recast them through a pseudomaterialistic lense. New Age practices are fun-house orientalism for results oriented atheists.
>>1810338>weshit bait
No.1810384
>>1810050>ritual and religious study gets you closer to understanding and accepting the unity of being.you can understand these things perfectly fine without religion or ritual. many people have come to such conclusions without religion or ritual.
>the unified nature of reality as godthe most powerful religions on the planet do not preach this, and furthermore pantheism is just atheism in disguise since it redefines material reality as god, rendering the word a mere synonym of material reality, and substituting the more commonly accepted idea of an omnipotent and omniscient personal god who predates material creation and is separate from, and outside of, material creation
>those perceptions of difference are just ultimately illusory. tell that to religious militants. it might be true, but it won't change their behavior.
>responsible engagement with the world in general, along the lines laid out by vedanta practice, will eventually allow you to have this "aha" moment with all of reality, releasing you from the cycle of reincarnationeven buddhism has arbitrary dogmas. why is reincarnation something that is supposed to be escaped? Why does reincarnation occur in a hierarchical way rather than at random? Why is there a soul capable of being reincarnated? These are unprovable and non-materialist precepts.
No.1810410
>>1810395>Hitler didn't actually believe in jackshit, he just said whatever sounded cool or suited his goalsuhh based
No.1810414
>>1810410Least fascistoid stirnerite
No.1810442
>>1810395hitler was a true believer
is it so hard to believe some bumpkin with a deeply repressed austrian catholic upbringing ended up becoming an insane monster?
No.1810445
>>1810384>many people have come to such conclusions without religion or ritual.How do you explain a Satori or Eureka moment?
>Why does reincarnation occur in a hierarchical way rather than at random?You can read it metaphorically. The more unskillful you act, the deeper into the pits you go.
>Why is there a soul capable of being reincarnated?We don't know. Our top spiritualists are working on the problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebirth_(Buddhism)#Karma_and_What_Is_Reborn No.1810800
>>1810343Explains why guenon wanted to be a Hindu first but was rejected by his order so he turned to islam
No.1810806
Uhh I guess it's back to talking to myself or something. Guys, I try to be social.
There is a difference between understanding something on an intellectual level and incorporating it. The gap is very large. Anyone can understand what the Buddha is saying on some level. However, not a lot of people can successfully apply it and so on.
If being Buddha was easy everyone would do it.
No.1810898
>>1810384idk man i am an atheist i just find religion and theology interesting and think its important to understand and sympathize with it considering its ubiquity
No.1811865
Swastikas were present throughout northern Europe's history. It was not as if it was something entirely imported in the 20th century.
No.1811888
>>1809986>Is any of it true tho?Aryans had brown skin, brown eyes and black hair, had robust skulls and were lactose tolerant.
The ones that went West mixed with paleo-europeans, among them some populations with blonde or red hair, and others with blue eyes, and others with fair skin. Western hunter gatherers for example had dark skin and blue eyes, Anatolian farmers spread to Europe and brought fair skin. If you search for proto indo european reconstructions then you will see that they just look like darker skinned central asians.
>>1809991The similarities aren’t a coincidence because indo-europeans forced their languages and cultures on the paleo-europeans. Orphan(s) raised by a she-wolf, orphans go on to be the first ancestors, that myth for example can be found everywhere amongst cultures connected to the eurasian steppe.
A shaky comparison could be hungarians or turks migrating west from central asian and settling in europe bringing their language, imagine that but on a bigger scale, with almost all of europe getting assimilated, besides Basque, Corsica, Sweden and the Balkan, and then Sweden and the Balkans also getting assimilated.
And thats just talking about the ones that went west.
No.1811895
>>1810395You have a point, PIE religion had a sky father (dyeus, dyos? yesus?) and his twin sons, trinity much?
Twins were also magic healers, guided travellers with stars (star of bethlehem), and would go to the heavens.
No.1812115
>>1811931the problem is modern history is so pozzed now that video is just as accurate as any textbook at this point. which i assume has happened before thousands of years ago to and people just said fuck it and made up their own history, fast forward thousands of years and now we call it culture and history and it stuck
No.1812117
>>1811931In Plato's Critias, it describes one of the walls of atlantis being adorned with red, white and black stones, and a scholar like robert sepher attempts to draw an analogy of this to the flag of the third reich.
In Timaeus and Critias, it describes Atlantis existing 9,000 years before the dialog, so around 11,000 years ago from today - but in the same story, it claims that athens existed back then too in the ideal form of socrates' Republic, and that athens was actually a rival to atlantis.
So not all whites are atlanteans, only the northern europeans (who in the vril myth described in "the coming race") ascend from hyperborea/the north pole, where francis bacon (founder of the british empire concept, and inspiration for 007) claimed that king arthur also had his settlement there.
The swastika tracks the seasons by orientation around polaris/the north star, so the swastika is a symbol of hyperborea in its astrological meaning. The egyptians also gave prescience to polaris (and sirius), where it has been uncovered that ancient egypt had connections to ireland (the land of the aryans).
The aryans themselves are the formal founders of the hindu religion (where "caste" denotes "colour" and is thought to be a racial hierarchy with whites on the top).
So its not all crazy, but the myth is still evolving, with esoteric hitlerists like miguel serrano and savitri devi, where serrano for example (in "hitler, the ultimate avatar") claims that the nordic people 60,000 years ago worshipped a crucified god (like odin on the world tree or christ on the cross), and that the true god is wotan-lucifer-christ, which is realised in the third reich.
I like devi's work "the impeachment of man" by contrast that sees how the third reich is basically overcoming liberalism by overcoming the anthropocene. Unfortunately, the enlightenment religion of "MAN" has only grown more toxic since.
No.1812230
the swastika was like a good luck symbol pre hitler and it appears in many diffrent cultures, its sort of like a 4 leaf clover
No.1812342
>>1811895>dubious history and parrallelomaniaReal Zeitgeist hours
No.1812376
>>1811477This, real Aryans were Slavs who conquered India
No.1812393
>>1812376OG aryans were brown.
No.1812397
>>1812376>>1812393"Iran" literally means "Aryan"
The caucasus mountains are in iran
Prometheus (mithra), the creator of man was chained to mount caucasus
Heraclitus' Logos (the spawn of western philosophy) comes from the zoroastrian great flame of being
Iranians have a greater claim than slavs or browns
No.1812407
>>1812397Well, Iranians are also brown.
Aryans were steppe people that assimilated other cultures, thats why everybody has an equal claim to being "aryan", because most people living in Western Eurasia are speaking an Indo-European (Aryan) language.
No.1812415
>>1812397all that fire worship is more ancient than zoroastrianism. Interestingly enough it's also still practiced in india still and scandivians kept it arround even after turning christian.
Wether the indo europeans were white or brown, I don't really know (tho I'd probably lean towards fairly brown) just according to the languag I believe it must be mostly close to something slavic.
Also, there is a difference between aryans and indo-europeans. The way I understand it, aryan as a word has only historical relevance in iran and india and a little in the balkans. I like to think, aryans are a subgroup of the original indo europeans.
No.1812429
>>1812224never thought of it that way lol
No.1812432
>>1810104how come all the other developing countries manage not to shit in the street?
No.1812435
>>1812429Anon has a point, you see the same "they must've been white in ancient times!" talk about both India and Japan.
No.1812452
>culture "belongs" to a single place
actual tumblr drones
No.1812455
>>1812450That video is a fucking gem, LOL.
No.1812499
A quick one, without replying to any anon in particular.
I guess in the 19th century, with the Bri'ish conquest of India, there was a huge wave of interest for its history and philosophies among some european intellectuals. Some of them were serious scholars, who spent time deciphering the languages, translating sources, doing fieldwork etc. Others were just hacks that wanted to be some dark, edgy, almost "emo" philosopher and they picked up this exotic cultural aspects just to piss off their more conventional and "moderate" peers. So you have those German thinkers who wanted to shout out loud they were viscerally anti-Christian - some would say anti-Judeo-Christian - but at the same time they also rejected contemporary forms of western enlightenment, rationalism, positivism, liberalism and so on. Some people adhering to this strand of thought embraced whatever element of this almost alien culture just because it gave them the cool edge. Frankly, among any serious scholar of Hinduism or Indian culture in general, I would never mention the Arthur guy. And OP said correctly that the Fritz guy may have been interested in Hinduism just for the edgy "macho warrior caste" thing, but he was clearly projecting his frustrations there. If you just pick up a modern, succinct introduction of about two hundred pages about classic Indian philosophy, you'll be more knowledgeable about the subject in a few days than those couple of freaks in their entire lives.
Regarding the Swastika, I once heard it represented the apparent movement of the sun across the sky, but I also read that some authors think it represents the movement of some constellation around the north pole in a year. Regardless, it was regarded as a symbol of good luck and was never associated to a cult of genocidal freaks for thousands of years in Asia. It must also be said that it's a relatively easy geometric motif to produce, so it may have not had any particular deep meaning at the start.
As far as the "Indo-Europeans", we are talking about a collection of tribes speaking very similar varieties of a single language that through thousands of years have moved out of their original land and conquered virtually all of Europe and large parts of Asia. They had an original religion worshipping a heavenly male god associated with thunder and weather and basically many central gods in subsequent religions are derived from him, both in name and attributes, even tho they very often are the result of a syncretism between the original "sky-god" and those of the conquered people. Interestingly, both in Greek and Germanic legends, the leading gods at some point defeated older gods, with the new rulers associated with the sky and the old ones with earth. Indian mythology is much more complex but some variations of this motifs appear there too.
Where were the IEs originally from? I guess the current consensus is the Pontic Steppe, meaning modern Ukraine, southern Russia north of the Caucasus and north-west Kazakhstan. There are competing theories about an Anatolian - Turkey - origin or an Indian one. The name IE was chosen just because in historical times their languages dominated India - sort of… - and Europe. In truth, they left out Iran-Persia - large cultural and linguistic area - and the original scholars ignored both the Hittites of Anatolia - hence the Anatolian origin theory - and the so called Tocharians - who lived in modern Xinjiang.
No.1812527
>>1812428reconstructions are sus to me because it implies that there were somehow fewer languages in a time when people lived in smaller groups and were more spread out. realistically the people more than a few days away would be hard to understand but bible-brained linguists somehow think there was a pan-European "proto-indo-european" language
No.1812531
>>1812527there were just a lot less people in the world back then, probably a couple million when pie was spoken
No.1812539
>>1812531right AND that means there would be more languages per capita on average because people would be too spread out and communicate too rarely to have a unified language over long distance. it is the development of writing and the growth of cities, trade networks, roads, agriculture, etc that leads to standardization of languages. If you lived in 10,000 BCE there's a good chance that if you didn't run into a tribe directly related to yours, you wouldn't understand each other.
No.1812548
>>1812539there's no reason to think that it couldn't just spread out to many different communities over time that spoke a different language before or that hundreds of million of people couldn't descend from a single tribe, ashkenazi jews descend from ~350 people and they only emerged a couple hundred years ago
No.1812593
>>1812527Theres a difference between language family and language origin. When PIE first was spoken those people were living in the Pontic–Caspian steppe. A steppe is like a gigantic highway with people travelling all over the place, especially with horses (thats also where horses were first domesticated) so communication was important.
For example the Iranians and Scythians were able to understand each other.
>>1812539There were complex supply chains back then, jewelry produced in the Mediterranean can frequently be found in Northern Europe, and the tin for bronze tools came from the British isles.
No.1812809
>>1812407>Well, Iranians are also brown.Theyre tanned, not brown. Also, many arabs have infiltrated their country, which is why theyre muslim to begin with.
>>1812415>The way I understand it, aryan as a word has only historical relevance in iran and india and a little in the balkans. I like to think, aryans are a subgroup of the original indo europeans.Well, the aryans were the founders of the hindu religion, and to their myth are the "root race" of today's humanity (where they are described as the "gods" who created mankind - think of the pure white "prometheus" aliens).
The aryan myth is that the "adamic" race created all contemporary humans, but that they descend in order of derivation from the source; the more "white" you are, the more aryan, with blonde hair and blue eyes being purest. The caste system was based in "colour" by the same standard.
No.1812957
>>1812432Other developing countries don't have a caste system
No.1812959
>>1812809>Theyre tanned, not brown. Also, many arabs have infiltrated their country, which is why theyre muslim to begin with.Let me tell you something, nazi anon; all the Iranian rightoids who are obsessed with Aryanism and Persian identity are browner than Arabs. The guys who looked like Reza Pahlevi are all either Islamists or occasionally Leftists
No.1812968
And no, caste system is not the color line. Division based on color is something that is unique to America and 19th century Europe as they seek a way to substitute Christianity as a moral bond that can consolidate the European empires in a Schmittian friend enemy distinction against the rest of the world. This was at a period where an increasing number of colonized peoples, particularly African Americans, became Christian. Therefore a new method of division need to be invented.
It is a very complicated topic, but Ambedkar had already remarked way back then that the caste line had very little, if any, racial or otherwise apparent ethnic distinction in them, which is why you got Aryan tribals and black skinned Brahmins everywhere across India.
No.1812986
>>1812968Apparently the term "caste" comes from the portugese "casta" (race), originating in the 16th century. A direct english translation refers to the placement one is in by birth ("jati").
A general latin meaning derives from "castus" ("pure").
"Arya" in sanskrit is अर which can be translated as "white ones", "without blemish" and so on.
If the Aryans were indeed PIE peoples then it makes sense that it was fair-skinned people who occupied the priestcraft.
>dark-skinned brahminsWell, we also have to understand that india has went through its own period of liberalisation.
Or do you really think caste being associated with race is a far-fetched thing?
They always bitch about england but still worship any white person who goes there. My 6'0 blue-eyed friend went there and experienced the same treatment as vidrel.
No.1813007
>>1812986Indians worshipping blue eyed aryans have little to do with the caste system, duh. You can get the same reaction in Malaysia or Vietnam.
Again, race has little to do with caste or liberalisation. In the first place, most jatis are literally just clan-based division of labour. Who gets to clean shit, who can ride horses, who can wash bangles, who can appear in daylight, and so forth and so on. Most Indians regardless of caste looks the same, which is why they'll make a riot about knowing your last name since most of the time it is the only way to know your jati. The Indian caste system has more in common with say the caste system in Japan ironically, with their purity based culture and their Burakumins whose reason for exclusion has more to do with violation of Buddhist hygienic rules than any racial bloodline. Or the Cagots in France.
No.1813028
>>1813007The caste system post-aryan diaspora makes no sense i agree. Thats why its dumb to fight for hindu nationalism or something like savitri devi did. The same way guenon embarrassed himself submitting to the hindu leadership.
Aryan india is very different from poo-in-the-loo india.
Der Fuehrer actually noted once about the disaster that reducing infant mortality in india is doing for them. He wanted more indians dead. Thankfully churchill made it easier for Him by instituting the partition.
But hare krishna larpers have no place in a european "traditionalist" context. Christianity in truth is as traditionalist and ethnically relevant to europe as any ancient idolatry. Thats why Evola wasnt a globalist like the theosophists were.
No.1813133
>>1810331>Anyway, why does anyone do anything. Most of the time the answer is either stupidity or they are compelled by forces outside their control.>I don't know Hinduism but I know a little Buddhism.Well, to give my understanding of the pedantic view. Basically, the idea is to liberate yourself and then to use your knowledge to liberate others.
An analogy I remember by a yogi: the yogi works to surmount dividing this existence from that. We could call the fence "the veil" in some nomenclatures. But instead of just hopping the fence, the yogi kind of sits atop the fence to try and pull other people to the other side.
No.1813145
>>1813133But "why?" In the greatest sense. I have a theory but it is rather irrelevant for us to ask from our position.
Things we know for certain: We live in apparent time. Things seem to go from one state to the other. Logically we should want things to always go in the direction of a more favorable state as much as possible.
No.1813159
>>1813028>Aryan india is very different from poo-in-the-loo india.>Der Fuehrercan you just fucking kill yourself
No.1813440
>>1809968what is Sufism again?
No.1813453
>>1810414That’s just good politicing.
Machiavelli hit on that way before.
No.1813946
>>1813440refers to a broad set of mystical traditions within islam, historically it was prevelant throughout islamic societies all over the world but the rise of quranist interpretations and salafism has really reduced its acceptability
No.1841250
>>1812450It's more of an American thing from having no cultural roots, not a white thing.
See: Afrocentrism, Black Israelites.
No.1843610
>>1809963>Schopenhauer being the most prominent scholar of Hinduism at his time and also Nietzsche to some extent. Who praised Hinduism for it's life affirming and warrior asthetics. He even claimed he wished he was born a brahmin.Just letting you know that Schopenhauer would have never approved of Hitler nor his Nazi party. Nazism was life affirming in a brutal way, Schopenhauer rejected life. Nietzsche on the other hand…
No.1843618
>>1843610Nietzsche thought Antisemitism and Nationalism were retarded and promoted a degree of race mixing among Europeans, including Jews. He absolutely wouldve hated the Nazis
No.1843625
>>1809963because Hinduism is an inherently fascistic religion. the caste system is baked into it and cannot be separated.
No.1843653
>>1843621don't go on 4chan then??
No.1843775
>>1809968Order of Assassins
No.1843783
>>1809996I realised I was God for 2 weeks once. The novelty wears off.
No.1843787
>>1843775>>1843775Based. They even had some good scholars.
Nasir al-Din al-Tusi was an important figure in platonic philosophy.
I'm not sure why every Arab theologian was a platonist tho.
No.1843794
>>1810001>All while retaining the belief that the Quran is the word of god.Merely an exoteric cover
>>1810006Keeping priests employed
>>1810018Vitalist materialism
>>1810104Triggered public defecater
>>1810105Touche
No.1843802
>>1843787Neoplatonism is based
The golden age "muslim" neoplatonists were all mainly Persian - and not "orthodox" at all. I suspect they all knew Muhammad was a dunce and that islam is retarded but had no choice but to identify as Muslim at the time. Same thing with many nominally "Christiah" thinkers.
There is some evidence that certain Orders blatantly said as much at the higher grades. The Order of Assassins is now the Ismailis
The Ismailis are the only Shia Muslims to have a living, hereditary Imam and theyre barely muslim at all quite frankly
No.1843836
>>1843625Some people assert that Judaism is an inherently fascistic religion and zionism is baked into it and cannot be separated.
No.1843838
>>1843802Not true. Islamic theologians were pretty diverse. There were Andalusians, Arabs, Kurds, persians and central Asians.
Also to suggest that they weren't firm believers in Islam is absolutely retarded. They dedicated their entire lives to study the Quran. There was no distinction between theology and science at that time. Every endeavor was to prove the Qurans claims.
Islamic theology was heavily inspired by neoplatonism since they're both quite similar in their description of god/monad.
Orthodox Islam at that time didn't really exist. The Muslim world was highly fractured. Sufism was more common than anything resembling salafism. At some point the mutazilite was one of the dominant branches and they outright denied the divinity of the Quran.
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>>1843802>>1843802>theyre barely muslim at all quite franklyThat's because their current imam, the aga Khan is a massive coomer and he parties with bikini bitches on yachts and shit. He loves bikini bitches so much he even claimed that miniskirts are allowed in mosques and shit.
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>>1843838>Not true. Islamic theologians were pretty diverse. Learn to read. I never asserted otherwise. I asserted that the greatest NEOPLATONIST Muslim scholars were Persian and I stand by that.
>Also to suggest that they weren't firm believers in Islam is absolutely retarded.Lmao, even. If you say so oh wise Imam.
How the fuck could you possibly know the internal subjective beliefs of heterodox Neoplatonists 1000 years ago?
Idiot.
>Islamic theology was heavily inspired by neoplatonismAll 3 abrahamic creeds were. They all appealed to neoplatonic concepts to make their idiotic cults look less retarded.
>Orthodox Islam at that time didn't really exist. The Muslim world was highly fractured. Sufism was more common than anything resembling salafism. At some point the mutazilite was one of the dominant branches and they outright denied the divinity of the Quran.Correct
Now compare that accurate statement to your prior one
>Also to suggest that they weren't firm believers in Islam is absolutely retarded. Think lad. Think
No.1843853
>>1843840Like I said - based.
But even before based bikini bitch appreciator, the Aga Khans were very heterodox
And that's a good thing
Although an old school OoA being reestablished to curbstomp zionists would be a joy to behold right about now
No.1843854
>>1843848That's mainly because they had more proximity to Greek culture due to historical reasons
No.1843856
>>1843848Considering that there were outspoken atheists at that time like al-maari who openly dispared religions I don't see why they would hide the fact that they didn't believe in the Quran. Again, the Islamic world at that time wasn't majority Muslim. Most Arab countries were still christian. There was a sizable Zoroastrian population. Afghanistan was Buddhist.
Not being a Muslim was the norm
No.1843859
>>1843802Which is more correct tho? Neoplatonism or Buddhist sunyata?
No.1843861
>>1843854It's mainly because Hellenism is intelkectually superior to whatever schizophrenic millennarian slop was boiling up in the Levant and Arabia
Persia is another matter entirely as they were equal to the Greeks in regards possessing a sophisticated intellectual culture that valued truth
No.1843863
>>1843861Lmao only a Persian would be delusional enough to believe this
No.1843865
>>1843856>Most Arab countries were still christian. There was a sizable Zoroastrian population.Linear time is a thing
We're discussing the period post the establishment of Islamic hegemony across the region
No.1843866
>>1843861I knew you were dying to go on an anti-arab tirade
No.1843868
>>1843859The Tao surpasses both
No.1843870
>>1843868Isn't tao just monism
No.1843872
>>1843866Pro Persian =/= anti Arab
That said I preferred Arabs when they were based diverse pagans and gnostic derivatives
No.1843873
>>1843865It was majority christian up until the 1500s…
No.1843874
>>1843870The Tao that can be described as just monism is not the true Tao
No.1843876
>>1843872Arab paganism was African tier. I'm not even iconoclastic
No.1843877
>>1843868This but unironically. Only philosophy to get me fired after taking it literally. The emphasis is in action.
No.1843878
>>1843873>It was What was?
No.1843880
>>1843874So basically just master eckhart's god? Even Islamic theology can be incredibly apophatic to that extent.
No.1843886
>>1843883Define what you mean by "The Arab world"
No.1843888
>>1843863It's undisputed by most scholars
No.1843889
>>1843886The place where Arabs live…
No.1843890
>>1843887>Idols reeeeeeI fail to see your point
No.1843891
>>1843888Sure bro.. Iran is definitely a beacon of secularism
No.1843893
>>1843889>The place where Arabs live…Arabia and the wider gulf then yes?
No.1843894
>>1843891My huge gaping strawman
No.1843895
>>1843893Why are you being such a pedantic faggot?
No.1843897
>>1843895I want to understand what you mean when you assert moronic statements such as this
>>1843873 No.1843904
>>1843880As stated all 3 abrahamic creeds plagiarize middle and neoplatonism and all 3 later took a very apophatic approach
The Tao cannot be described my friend
No.1843906
>>1843874Redpill me on Tao
No.1843909
>>1843856>the Islamic world at that time wasn't majority MuslimWut?
No.1843911
>>1843906That is beyond my capabilities. Seek and you will find.
No.1843912
>>1843909There was a Muslim caste ruling over a christian majority. Similar to the Mughal dynasty in india
No.1843916
>>1843912Ergo NOT the islamic world then
India was never categorised as such despite their overlords
Your statement is nonsensical
>>the Christian world at that time wasn't majority ChristianYou see the problem with that statement right? You're breaking the basic logical law of non contradiction. Think clearly and express yourself clearly so that people understand what it is you're trying to say.
No.1844127
>>1843916uygha historians call the Islamic world since it was ruled by successive Muslim caliphates. Retarded faggot
No.1844133
>>1843802>There is some evidence that certain Orders blatantly said as much at the higher gradesSuch as?
No.1844135
>>1844133he read it on /r/atheism
No.1844138
WE WUZ GODZ
No.1844144
>>1809973Vedanta is more like neoplatonism on steroids anon
No.1844228
>>1844127Cope Uyghuh
>>1844133Such as the Order of Assassins/Ismailiis
No.1844259
>>1844228Lmao can you cite a source ?
No.1844268
>>1844228I'm not denying your claims. But there are simply no evidence for what you're saying.
No.1844298
>>1844259>Lmao can you cite a source ?Idries Shah Knowing How to Know 1998
>>1844268Incorrect
No.1844304
>>1843838this, that poster is retarded
No.1844310
>>1844304Imagine agreeing with a strawmanning pseud illiterate
No.1844313
>>1810104Respekt 5000 yere old religon saaarrr endia superpoopar Bai 2030 sarrrr
No.1844319
>>1843876>Arab paganism was African tierwhat does that mean?
No.1844345
>>1844298>>1844298When you cite a claim you have to be more specific you uyghur
No.1844359
>>1844345Knowing How to Know: A Practical Philosophy in the Sufi Tradition – 1998 - Idries Shah
Section VI - Real, Empirical and imitative Study
Knock yourself out uygher
No.1844367
>>1844359You fucking retarded uyghur. Copy paste the text within the page you faggot
No.1844401
If Persians weren't so racists towards Arabs back then they would've all converted to Zoroastrism and actually helped Sassanids to destroy Christian Byzantium, possibly ending Christianity
No.1844476
>>1844372It's been a while since I read that book
Must be in another section - my mistake
Search and you WILL find my uygher
No.1844478
>>1844401If Persians had had any sense they wouldve kept the jewish leaders in permanent bondage thereby nipping all 3 schizo abrahamic creeds in the bud
No.1844479
>>1844372>>1844476So to amend
Knowing How to Know: A Practical Philosophy in the Sufi Tradition – 1998 - Idries Shah
Somewhere in one of the many sections
Enjoy the read seeker
No.1844537
>>1844479>Born in India, the descendant of a family of Afghan nobles, Shah grew up mainly in England. His early writings centred on magic and witchcraft.>In his writings, Shah presented Sufism as a universal form of wisdom that predated Islam.>His works have played a significant part in presenting Sufism as a secular, individualistic form of spiritual wisdom.Remind me again how this uyghur is supposed to be an authority on anything, let alone on Isma'ilism?
No.1844689
>>1844537This poster is a retarded Persian. Just ignore him
No.1845512
Vedanta is objectively correct.
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