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 No.20257[View All]

For those who don't know, a bunch of major subreddits (at least 3000 in total) are going to go private for 48 hours to protest Reddit killing third party use of its API. It's technically supposed to start tomorrow but a bunch of subreddits are getting a head start already.

More info:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jun/11/reddit-communities-to-go-dark-in-protest-over-third-party-app-charges
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65855608

Thoughts? There's more backlash than I expected, and I'm all for it, but I think going with a 48-hour blackout with no demands is basically a toothless gesture, much like the 24-hour protest strikes some unions do. Doesn't really mean anything.
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 No.20417

It's fine to say it's infiltrated/answers to the cia. Plenty of actual newspapers work that way. Was it created by the government like Google? IDK, Where's proof of that?

 No.20418

>>20416
how is it derailing to point out she was a deputy head in the fucking alantic council, a CIA ran org based out of washinton DC you retarded glowie, she literally runs reddit.

 No.20419

>>20417
Literally just mumbling to yourself at this point

 No.20420

>>20418
How is it derailing to point out that my wife left me and took my fucking kids with her you CIA glowie kys(Spam IP)

 No.20421

>>20410
r/Ukraine mods said they won't strike. They obviously said something about fighting disinformation. But tre truth is that that subreddit is a very important asset.

 No.20422

Some massive subreddits have surprisingly announced they're going to stay private indefinitely, including r/videos, r/music, etc.

Only time will tell if they cave, but interesting development nonetheless.

 No.20423

>>20422
Also, I know there was speculation that /leftypol/ was gonna see a traffic spike because of this, but has that actually materialized?
Looking at the IP count and it doesn't look higher than what I usually see, but I don't keep a close eye on it so maybe I'm wrong.

 No.20424

>>20419
just provide some actual evidence instead of being a retard. I can prove that Google was started with government funding, but I can't say the same about reddit

 No.20428

>>20423
There was intra-network spikes on the subreddits that didn't strike. But overall, yes Reddit during those days lost traffic.

 No.20433

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>>20323
hell no
redditors begone

 No.20443

I see people call subreddits "servers". fbi.gov really did fry people's brains.

 No.20444

>>20424
the evidence has already been provided, the CIA took control of reddit and currently control its direction, narrative, censorship and content.

It literally doees not matter how it started, only what it is now in the present day.

 No.20446

>>20443
Maybe they are talking about federative alternatives to reddit.

 No.20447

>>20446
I wish, but they do not.

 No.20454

>>20443
Still pisses me off that disc0rd called them servers I’m the first place. I get they were going with the “we are le new IRC” pitch, but “server” is a word that actually means something.

 No.20455

>>20454
Slack calls them workspaces. Did other irc killers have a name that would have fit for fbi.gov?

 No.20457


 No.20458

>>20457
based reddit preventing digital vandalism?

 No.20508

does anyone here use kbin / lemmy?

i'd reccommend lemmy but some people like kbin's interface better

 No.20509

>>20458
GDPR is a regulation demanding sites like reddit allow users to have their stuff deleted (among other things).
https://gdpr-info.eu

tl;dr is that this puts them in legal trouble with the European Union.

 No.20510

>>20508
Both interfaces suck, why can't they make it like old.reddit or lobste.rs? Even raddle is better.

 No.20526

I only heard rumors but it seems the Reddit mods had basically folded to the demands of the Reddit CEO. Because CEO threatened to remove the Mod's powers if they continued to protest.

 No.20527

>>20526
they should nuke the subreddits

 No.20529

>>20527
You know I would agree on that, would hurt Reddit in the long run and show that the jannies over there aren't just some ego tripping power hungry bastards. Doing something good for the internet and destroy Reddit and the Main website for US disinformation campaigns and glow ops.

 No.20530

>>20529
Reddit probably has backups and would just replace them with new mods

 No.20531

>>20510
Yeah it's pretty trash at the moment, and everyone is just circlejerking about Reddit instead of trying to talk about anything interesting. Also it's infested with fedlibs.

 No.20535

>>20530
You might be right but still but funny to watch as it becomes more and more clear to people. Fun times ahead I suppose I really hope the Website gets bought out by Musk too and gets ran into the ground.

 No.20537

>>20527
> they should nuke the subreddits
Reddit is restoring posts deleted by the poster: >>20457

 No.20539

>>20530
They will if they think they need to, although it's a lot of work to do that for the entire site. Which means in the meantime it's possible for the mods and users to scuttle the userbase and undermine reddit's value significantly. They are planning to go public and all this was started as an attempt to boost their perceived value for their IPO.

 No.20540

Have reddit jannies been BTFO yet?

 No.20558

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>>20301
>Meanwhile the only search results that could help me fix my alsa effect chain are from a currently private tech advice subreddit.
Oh shit it looks like loonix guy needs to RTFM

 No.20559

>>20558
documentation in general is terrible and theres so many ways shit can go wrong on a computer, linux or not

 No.20560

>>20559
buy mac then computers are not for you

 No.20564

>>20559
Don't worry, people only stopped writing documentation because they found a better way to help people: closed, unsearchable fbi.gov channels!

 No.20570

>>20558
The issue was that one slave device didn't go through a plug, a relatively common occurence in alsa.
My problem was that the error message didn't give any indication of this. You had to know that ladspa only accepts floating point pcm and what that would imply.

 No.20573

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 No.20632

>>20573
The problem is the site is still plagued by technical issues, half the time your posts won't go through. I was willing to give them a chance but it's been weeks now.

 No.20642

>>20632
Which instance? Some are buggier than others.

 No.20643

>>20642
I've tried lemmy.world and vlemmy.net and both of them are bad

 No.20644

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Google admits Reddit blackout tanked search results
>In the last few weeks, most users browsing for answers by stringing “Reddit” to the end of their Google search would have been met with a locked community warning. Answers were taken away and unless you knew how to use the unhelpfully hidden cache button, it was hard to get back in.

<According to CNBC, an all-hands-on meeting in June was focused on getting back to business, as Google had noticed a hit with its user satisfaction. Senior vice president of search, Prabhakar Raghavan, said that new methods were going to be put in place to avoid this.


>Google has been working to integrate its AI into search in recent weeks, and one of those changes has been to introduce search filters.


<However, Raghavan has admitted that Google search in its current state is not good. In audio acquired by CNBC from the meeting, he said:


>Many of you may wonder how we have a search team that’s iterating and building all this new stuff and yet somehow, users are still not quite happy.


<“We need to make users happy.”


>Also in the meeting, Google CEO Sundar Pichai mentioned that users want “comprehensive answers”. Adding Reddit to the end of a search will often bring that up and without those resources for Google to rely on, it has begun to turn off users from the search engine even more.


<A staff member asked whether the influx of advertising and bad search results. Google execs seem to be relying on the Perspectives tab to ensure a return to success for the search engine.


https://www.dexerto.com/tech/google-admits-reddit-blackout-tanked-search-results-2191128/

 No.20660

>>20644
>>Many of you may wonder how we have a search team that’s iterating and building all this new stuff and yet somehow, users are still not quite happy.
They are gaslighting us and have been wasting our time since they removed the forum search feature from google search a few years ago. That's why people add "reddit" to searches. They don't want people to find what they search for. Choose your reason why this is.

 No.20691

>>20257
They should ranther build own, free infrustructure than begg a big business boss to do it for them.

 No.20726

>>20573
>>20632
>>20642
>>20643
While I think that Lemmy and KBin instances (two of the most Reddit-like federated FOSS alternative projects that are most frequently updated) are worthwhile, I think if they're going to be able to offer true alternatives they need some improvement to the projects. For instance, awhile ago Lemmy had some privacy/security issues that at the time it seemed the devs were not too interested in fixing , if what I read was accurate. I really hope there has been an update or positive resolution to this and I'll have to go and check on it again.
>technical issues, posts not going through
Some of this may simply be that most of these Lemmy / KBin instances were used to operate at a MUCH lower traffic level to date before the Reddit FUBAR drove many new users. I am guessing it falls into two groups
<Instances that are self hosted at someone's residence or have some relatively inexpensive web hosting resources
These are the situations where the admins could in theory beef up their hosting ASAP, though if they have the money and other resources to do so is questionable. While wanting to capitalize on new interest in Lemmy/KBin instances is predicated on new users seeing them work well, its also potentially expensive and short lived to buy or rent much more capable servers or hosting services only to find out that people "give up and go back to Reddit, or otherwise find Lemmy unsuitable" in a a few weeks.
<Bugs or other issues in the Lemmy/KBin codebase that are exposed only with higher activity either per instance or between nodes
There may be some issues that only arise with a more concentrated userbase and/or a higher degree of communication between different nodes than Lemmy/KBin normally experiences. Vast new interest may overwhelm or make inefficiencies more apparent, but once revealed this can only be improved by contributions to development.

Neither of these need be fatal flaws, but if they are not addressed it may result in making less of the opportunity the distaste for Reddit's policies has provided; after all, an exodus from Reddit, should a meaningfully sized one happen, does not necessitate that it move to a better, more open ethos federated alternative as opposed to simply the next iterative centralized, proprietary site that can capture enough userse to become "THE" successor.

>>20691
There have been multiple attempts to do just that but as with everything else in the social media era, the users and network effect are the problem. Otherwise, you only get a fraction of the userbase which are mostly made up of those with some motivated interest - from ideology, to money, to some objection to how the original was run or what conduct was permitted; all niches that can be offputting to building a large userbase of more general, wider interests.

Something like Lemmy/KBin or the other "Fediverse" alternatives are the best chance for a meaningful alternative at current, but the experience needs to be there so that those coming from Reddit can feel its more or less meeting their needs. Time will tell how this works out and the rationale behind any degree of success or lack thereof.

 No.20749

>>20726
what if lemmy added in donation drives and targets for instances? to give the ability for instances to have them individually in order to help with funding

 No.20754

>>20749
This would be one route, provided that the main software devs were open to it. Of course any instance can also run their own, but having an official module for such things (ie integrations with varying donations, payments for subscriptions etc.. ) would make it easier and more uniform for any given instance and their users.

Of course one of the big questions is if the devs are willing to step up and take the additional burdens of crowdfunding development (ie you can't just absorb money for long without providing progress notes, implementing features that donors are seeking , and needing to expand your team possibly by hiring using some of that money etc.). The other bit of course is about taking certain concerns of a more mature alternative seriously, such as the privacy/security issues I referenced previously.

I'm not sure about Lemmy's governance infrastructure at current and I think KBin is pretty small as well, compared to something like say… PeerTube and Mobilizon which are developed primarily by French nonprofit Framasoft which is a certain degree of organizational structure and who have successfully crowdfunded and delivered on improvements to their projects and instances they host; though much smaller, they're closer to a Mozilla type organization vs "just a couple of people running a project on Github/Codeberg etc".

Still, none of this is beyond Lemmy or KBin's possibility and I do hope they can take advantage of the issues with Reddit currently to grow and move some users over to fediverse type alternatives .

 No.20765

>>20749
Some instances have patreon sites and other funding channels set up. Some seem to make a decent stable bank from donations.

 No.20786

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https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-blackout-protest-private-ceo-elon-musk-huffman-rcna89700

>In an interview Thursday with NBC News, Reddit CEO Steve Huffman praised Musk’s aggressive cost-cutting and layoffs at Twitter, and said he had chatted “a handful of times” with Musk on the subject of running an internet platform.

<“Long story short, my takeaway from Twitter and Elon at Twitter is reaffirming that we can build a really good business in this space at our scale,” Huffman said.
>“Now, they’ve taken the dramatic road,” he added, “and I guess I can’t sit here and say that we’re not either, but I think there’s a lot of opportunity here.”

 No.20787

>>20786
Top Fucking KEK this guy sucking off Elon so hard that he thought that doing the same thing was going to be good for Reddit. Despite the fact that Twitter has been losing money and is a giant echo chamber for far-rightoids as Twitter will finally die.

 No.20800

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 No.20822

>>20800
what's this bruv
it looks tasty


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