/meta/ - Ruthless criticism of all that exists (in leftypol.org)

Is it pure coincidence that this is posted as a hundred billion more goes to democrat wars?

Nobody here votes.

>>32240
"the enemy of my enemy is my friend" + counter-signalling being liberal + as a result of seeing liberals as the enemy and trump supporters as basically on a continuum from "ignorable idiots" to "fellow channers", or as a result of the democrats being the party of perpetually shooting themselves in the foot, deriving a lot of pleasure from watching the democrats lose. (which is worth logically distinguishing from wanting to see trump win. one requires the other, but the source of joy differs - the smiles come from seeing hillary sad, not from seeing trump happy…)

these are all basic human social dynamics rather than a pathology unique to this site.

>>32244
okay now post a single example of a trump supporter on the board

>>32245
no

It doesn't, we just have the occasional straggling raider. Once election season comes I'm sure the jannies will be quicker to whack em without worrying about being too heavy handed.

So you are saying materially Trump and Biden are the same?

Well Trump was way more entertaining hands down, so I'm going to vote for him for Clown in Chief.

>>32247
So if Biden wins the election, then leftypol will affirm its legitimacy?! No matter the destruction bidenomics has wrecked upon the international proletariat??! The mods know better to forsake class struggle for Bidenomics. This notion is untenably bourgeois.

it would be more useful to join any local org in your area and actually organize around issues relevant to the proletariat in your area

instead of… vooting for your favorite bourgeois mascot

or atleast vote third party. Claudia and Karina

>>32250
Election reifiers are the spooked.

>>32240
Because Trump represents a plurality of the working class who were excommunicated from the left-wing due to being a fucking white male (!!!). The majority of the left-wing rhetoric is based on race/gender rather than class and this is seen online where if you don't know the latest transgender "theory" then you're "literally" a nazi. Agent Kochinski/Destiny always go hard on the trans people as their first line, when 99% of people don't give a shit. Most of these "woke" people don't even produce anything, they're bloggers and professional twitter users. They have very effectively alienated the working class. Shit like Contrapoints (known Hillary shill) is repulsive to someone of the working class, from their exclusionary language or their degrowth agenda where you're a nazi if you drive a truck, if you're religious (majority of the working class) then you're a retard ect ect ect.

He also was the only anti-war candidate except maybe Rand but he's a loltard. He still fucked up with Iran, I'm not saying he's perfect obviously, but he also tried his hardest to open up diplomatic relations with Russia and North Korea, which the democrats immediately reversed to protect their fake russiagate story (another thing that alienated anyone with half a brain).

The real issue with the right to me is the reawakening of the christlarper evangelicals. They're assisting in removing the class rhetoric and pushing some basically neo-nazi agenda where they unironically are saying shit like "put trans people into camps." Trump actually was the first republican I know of that said "start being nice to LGBT people" at the RNC. The evangelicals are trying to reverse this, then the left reacts to it and starts going all trans rights everywhere, which isn't a bad thing mind you. However, the result of this is that 80% of discourse is crying about a marginal community that doesn't represent the totality of the CLASS struggle. If the CLASS got free healthcare, then trans people will be uplifted too, but this isn't what the mainstream left are doing. The AOC squad isn't doing shit for this. Trump meanwhile actually met with unions and even got support from a few because of his platform of protecting American industry and ramping up production, which if you read Marx then you know the importance of ramping up production.

So basically, since our options are Trump, who has a populist message even if his methods are stupid and actively hurtful to the working class, like his tax cuts and Biden who stands for literally nothing except Israel. It's not hard to understand people will be drawn to Trump. It's not hard to see a case for voting/wanting Trump to win and then hope the DNC take everything else to block his stupid shit.

tl;dr the left lost the plot focusing on exclusionary identity politics rather than focusing on the class struggle.

>>32283
Ignoring the "trump fanboyism" I know that post will attract, I seriously can't think how Biden is better.
>Trump
<Biden
>tries to open up diplomatic ties with NK and Russia
<reverses all of it and then agitates Russia and is currently still giving blank checks to an impossible war just so more lives are lost because he wants the next president to be the one with the L. Pelosi starts calling everyone around her "Chinese spies"
>treats migrants unfairly
<continues to treat migrants unfairly
>tries to increase domestic production by lifting sanctions and giving tax cuts (doesn't work but it's an attempt)
<does literally nothing
>fucks up with Iran
<continues the fuck up with Iran, starves Afghanistan and blocks humanitarian aid, then funds a genocide in Palestine with a blank check while Israel bombs UK aid trucks
<but I heckin' kneeled for Black Lives Matter. I got on my KNEE!
>Gives some lip service to Israel but they apparently hate him since Mossad publicly ridiculed him
<the most pro-zionist president in history
>alleges the election was stolen, gets called the greatest monster in history over it
<mass incarcerations of Trump supporters. Targeted harassment campaigns of critics of the anti-worker covid restrictions. Huge efforts to restrict information about the Hunter Biden laptop case (idgaf about this but it happened) while simultaneously blaming the right-wing for everything THEY are doing like quid pro quo.
I absolutely despise the republican party but where's the basis that Biden is better?

There are only two passable views I see. The "uncommitted" movement where you vote down the line for DNC but exclude Biden, which in all likelihood is just a vote for Biden because I think he's going to sweep it, or vote for Trump to start reversing Biden's world war on revolutions and socialist countries while voting DNC everywhere else to protect domestic democracy. To the losers that talk about "don't vote at all, it's pointless," you're the exact, identity obsessed people that alienated the working class. You can sit there and pat yourself on the back for making the "right" decision but the real world will continue without you, while you bite the ankles of any real leftist that tries to uplift the proletariat. Marx advocated for participating in politics because democracy is the best condition to bring about socialism. If you're not participating in the democratic system and trying to raise awareness about the class struggle in favor for whining about pronouns on twitter, then you're not a Marxist, you are merely a spoiler for leftism.

>>32241
>democrat wars
bipartisan

So why should I vote for Biden inatead of Trump?

>>32287
>So why should I vote
dont, retard

>>32286
The DNC's function is to make their wars a bipartisan effort. 101 house Republicans voted against yesterday's hundred billion dollar imperialism bill. The house democrats voted unanimously for it.

The bill only passed because the DNC is faultlessly committed to genocide and war, and the fact that the democrats work tirelessly to corrupt the GOP into serving their agenda.

The democrats could be seen in this video waving Ukrainian flags and cheering to the tune of millions dead. These wars are democrat wars.

ITT: OP fighting with ghosts.

>>32249
<The occasional raider comes by shilling the magacommunism think-tankism. When election season comes this will be more frequent, so the jannies will have a lower tolerance for this.
>So you hecking support Biden?!?!

The thinktanks will never tap into what they had in 2016. People immediately ask themselves how a discourse might be a thinktankism before engaging with a discourse. They glowed too bright and accidentally heat treated the proles.

>>32240
Take your medication before browsing the internet.

Literally who the fuck are you even talking about.

>>32287

you shouldn’t smartass. Either vote third party (PSL is running a candidate)

or join an organization and go be active in your local community because 1 presidential election doesn’t determine the fate of the world

why do magacommunists assume anyone who criticizes them means vote for Biden? And it’s the same with liberals when you bring up Biden backing genocide in Gaza “oh well you should vote for Trump”

Fuck off. Stop thinking in black and white between which bourgeois mascot you think you have to decide between

>>32302

yeah all the unironic magacommunists in usa/pol/ saying Trump is a based anti-imperialist because he whines about Europe not supporting NATO enough is totally fake.

>>32297

Are you retarded? All wars are bipartisan efforts by the bourgeoisie.

Unironically believing one party seriously rejects us imperialism function as normal is cringe.

Yes maybe the Republican elite would rather attack China first over Russia and vice versa for the Democrats but it effectively doesn’t mean anything

Both parties have had full throated support for Israel. Zionism is the status quo in career politics

>>32305
But what about the military aid package to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan?
>>>/leftypol/1830450
>>>/leftypol/1830457
>>>/leftypol/1830675

All democrats voted for the package, at least half the republicans voted against

Nobody “supports Trump” you shrieking liberal. Marxist Leninists simply realize that in both domestic and foreign policy aspects Trump and the Republicans are objectively better for the proletariat at large than the Dems who simply aim to continue exporting imperialism and neoliberalism

>>32307

What about it? The majority of the bourgeoisie supports continued imperialist wars abroad

You will always have inner bourgeois disputes (like which party is in exec, donors, personal biases) as to why they don’t vote down the line 100% of the time

Biden is in office. Yes some republicans will oppose any Ukraine spending just off that, and because they think the real enemy should be Iran or China

Are you seriously taking some republicans opposing a bill that was passing anyways within bourgeois legal system as some proof they are less “anti-imperialist?

And regardless, im not arguing over which candidate to vote for. So there’s no reason why you should call yourself a communist and seriously peddle that

Notice how enough republicans still supported it for it to go through. Almost like the maintenance of capital abroad will supersede any relative disagreements over how us imperialism should operate

Hey, if Trump wins this year and continues or starts new conflicts elsewhere, there will probably be a section of Democrats that oppose everything he does. Why? Not because they actually oppose US imperialism but because orange man bad.

>>32308

voting between two bourgeois parties is perhaps the most liberal thing you can do.

Do you actually organize irl? Why don’t you support actual socialists running? Regardless of any grievances with the American left, seriously thinking you are softening the blow by choosing the “less imperialist option” the republicans aren’t btw.

Is actually retarded

Trump continued all the bush era and Obama era wars, as did Biden before he finally pulled out. (Would’ve happened under Trump)

Trump was sending missles to the Zelensky administration in 2019

Trump presided over the Abraham Accords which heightens tensions between Israel and occupied Palestine leading up to 10/7

Because Trump vocally gets on CNN and says Ukraine must end or something doesn’t change materially what he does. He will get in office and do exactly as his bourgeois handlers tell him. (Same with Biden)

No president can actually meaningfully oppose the Defense sector. Or you will get JFK’d

Trump’s rhetoric doesn’t match up with what he actually accomplished.

No that doesn’t mean vote for Biden, please stop saying that.

broke: i supported Trump because i think he'd be a good president, i did this by voting for him in the presidential election.
joke: i supported Trump as the lesser evil, i did this by voting for him in the presidential election.
woke: i didn't "support" Trump you shrieking liberal. I objectively analysed the material conditions using dialectics and concluded that in pure Marxist terms, the greatest blow could be struck for the proletariat and against late-capitalist imperialism by writing a brief essay consisting entirely of crosses on a ballot paper, the general thrust of which being that I offered my critical support for the republican party against the social-fascist democrats.

>>32310
>voting between two bourgeois parties is perhaps the most liberal thing you can do.
This. A vote for Trump or Biden is a vote for the New Cold War.
>>32311
>Trump was sending missles to the Zelensky administration in 2019
It's interesting that Trump sending Javelin missile to the Ukraine is written out of history not by both Trump supporters and liberals. Also, don't forget the regime change attempt in Venezuela in 2019.

>>32240
Honestly we should just ban any trump supporters. It's reactionary filth and has no place here

>>32338
The solution is pretty simple. I may write it tomorrow if I can be arsed. Supporting Trump and/or Biden in an accelerationist way is allowed. Otherwise it's pretty much a hard no.

>>32338
ban anybody who supports voting in US elections

>>32357
>ban anybody who supports voting
I agree!

We know why you pathetic democrats play enlightened centrist. You sneaky electoral-denialist conservatives just want to discourage the proletariat from removing Biden from office!
>>32331
You can cite anything Trump did, but Bidler did it 1000x more or worse.

The MAGA struggle defies electoralism, but that does not mean that not voting all at doesn't mean that you're not just a democrat. A third party vote is, in effect, just a vote for Bidler. All dissent to Biden's (the bourgeoisie's) greatest threat should be banned.

>>32339
Anyway, I woke up and already knew there would be no essay on american politics. For me, it's Copmala. The way to electoral success (destabilization) is for Trump and Biden to both croak and the ascend of Copmala. I have nothing to base this on. Negative dialectics.

>>32368
why is she talking to an 'a'?

>>32388
I have no idea