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>>28980
>>28975
PS, by ancapistan libertarians I very much refer to people such as Mises, Rothbard, Friedman and Rand.

>>28931
>Most Libertarians actually have a decent concept of what communism is
No, Mr Wolff, it's not when the gubbmint does things

>>29033
It's not when the government does things, and most Libertarians know this somewhere deep down. Many Libertarians are fully aware that communism is about workers' power and equality, but they see that as an affront to nature. The expansion of the state and the war, violence, corruption, etc, are just the tragic consequences of this attempt to overturn the "natural order of things".

It's extremely naive to think they don't see things this way. The vast bulk of "Libertarians" are right-wingers right down to the core and have far more in common with fascists than they do communists.

>>29064
>The vast bulk of "Libertarians" are right-wingers right down to the core and have far more in common with fascists than they do communists.
True, but I merely postulate that from my understanding of certain angles and certain individuals, I get the impression of
A) Objective portrayal despite ideology
and/or
B) Ideological coincidence.

back to the original topic, is there any modern scifi that isn't campy and takes the medium seriously and draws from contemporary and historical politics?

>>30821
Interstellar is a brilliant sci-fi that takes itself very seriously and focuses on accurately depicting space/space travel

>>30821
The Expanse is very popular and a lot about imperialism but it's nothing ground breaking.
I don't know if you can consider this "modern" but the Culture from Banks is really good and it's kind of that, in his words:
>I’d had enough of the right-wing US science fiction, so I decided to take it to the left.

>>30941
Interstellar as a film is terrible. Yes a lot of the science is correct in many aspects… but as a film it's mediocrely written. People were just in awe at the concepts and visuals at release.

>>30955
He was joking, traversable wormhole, stable star system featuring a black hole, a shuttle with seemingly infinite delta-v, travelling in the black hole, time travel, anti gravity… Very soft science fiction.

>>30941
lol
lmao
Jonathan Nolan is one of the worst screenwriters working today.

>>30956
It's sci-fi but its based on real concepts for all those things listed, and grounded in them in fact. Considering physicists had been major consultants that makes sense, so it's not very soft. BUT that doesn't make the plot and use of said science very good.

>>30957
Yeah this became a big meme in Russia.

>>30958
Interstellar is the definition of soft science fiction, there's very little internal consistency and most things make no sense, it's a father/daughter movie with pop science and space stuff.
The only thing scientific they did is the representation of the accretion disk of the black hole, not exactly a major feat since it was done in 1979.

Meanwhille AVERAGE SCI-FI FANTASY FAN

Why does so much sci-fi do this?

>>30821
I think most modern sci-fi has been hamstrung by the CIA.

That might sound like a schizo-post, but starting in the 50s the CIA got heavily involved in the arts, including writing and one of the major "creative writing" organizations was literally a CIA front. They set down most of what are now almost universally considered to be the rules of "good writing," such as write what you know, show don't tell, etc. The thrust of this movement was to promote character-driven personal stories as "good writing" while writing centered around ideas or concepts is bad writing.

This is why nowadays you'll often hear that the all the 20th century sci-fi greats were "bad writers." In fact, it might have been partially targeted at the sci-fi greats. The FBI recently released that they had suspected Asimov of being a pinko.

>>32219
It's less about actual CIA involvement and more about the limitations of capitalist realism impossed on Sci fi as a whole. For social change imagine by most creators is just "capitalism but with this weird quirk" or "capitalism but technology" or "feudalism and fascism in spess". For aliens it's always one small part of modern capitalism flanderized to the extreme. Because after the 60s when socialist vision of the future got snuffed out in the west people can only really think in those terms.

>>30953
The Expanse is one of the worst pop scifi out there. Even Star Trek is more realistic than that show and is more sci than Fi.

>>32221
I think you might be literally retarded anon.

Are there terms to differentiate science fiction where the science is part of the plot from science fiction where it is just the backdrop?

Fantasy is dumb because it's literally always medieval Europe. Basically just infinitely rehashing:
>LOTR
<DnD
Plagarismo di plagarismo.

>>32224
Fantasy predates LotR and that's like saying all sci-fi is either rehashing Star Trek or Star Wars.

>>32225
>Fantasy predates LotR
Oh really? You know what the fuck I'm talking about(or maybe you don't because you're too autistic.)
Let me help you, because you don't understand hyperbole

MOST fantasy today is just plagiarisms on plagiarisms of LOTR.

>that's like saying all sci-fi is either rehashing Star Trek or Star Wars.
Name me like one Sci Fi with laser swords and death stars.

>>32226
I don't know about laser swords or death stars, but I know of at least one sci-fi series about the adventures of definitely-not-Han-Solo carting around a person with space magic powers.

>>32226
>Name me like one Sci Fi with laser swords and death stars
Halo (energy swords and the halo arrays) and Mass Effect (omni blades and the catalyst/citadel)

>>32226
LotR is just a really long Robert E. Howard story but written by a guy with a degree in medieval Scandinavian linguistics

>>32226
Fantasy is the popcultural version of rehashed themes from old sagas and classical literature transformed in a digestible format. With regards to that, Tolkien was the first fantasy writer.

>>23276
> The vast majority of fantasy heroes are also either ruling class / royalty
liberals consume media about the bullshit political intrigue of Nancy Pelosi and then read about the bullshit political intrigue of characters in some fantasyland, but with extra racist colonial essentialism. Honestly fuck Game of Thrones and all that bullshit, I read to get away from ruling class political drama!
>>23279
>who the fuck cares?
Denny from The Room: (crying) "IT DOESN'T MATTER…it doesn't matter!!!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOJQPi9q8aE
>all reactionary thing-noticers
<reactionary thing-noticers
imagine calling other people "reactionary" when you deploy the most NPC meme imaginable: gaslighting people that what they see with their eyes isn't real and they should stop critique the precious consumer products of radlibs.
> all they had to go with is making fun of the middle class Dursleys
"you think you're so smart for noticing dictatorship of bourgeoisie leading to petite bourgeois moralism and child abuse, your Marxist historical materialism is actually idealist" Sorry child but your content is so trivially easy to critique that random liberals can do it. Please stop protecting your autism idols from "reactionary" workers lol
>who the fuck cares, literature and art isn't supposed to be beholden to your idealizations
(crying soy consumers) "IT DOESN'T MATTER, YOU'RE AN IDEALIST FOR THINKING I'M A DOMESTICATED RADLIB" Actually my artistic literature about a stacked dark elf is revolutionary praxis, fucking fascist.
>"le speshul grill" doing "le revolushun"
"fantasy isn't reactionary, but I have a knee jerk reaction to even the slightest hint of revolutionary working class movements" You proved OP's point better than I ever could. You scoff at women because you're a redditor class traitor who consumes fascist reactionary narratives.
>No shit, that's materially logical,
"It's logical to write stories about capitalists and not the working class, you're an idealist who doesn't understand Marxism" Ben Shapiro has found leftypol
>>23963
>Post-modernism is a a fucking blight.
modern art isn't POLITICAL, it's a total mystery why the CIA funded those magazines

>>32236
>gaslighting people that what they see with their eyes isn't real and they should stop critique the precious consumer products of radlibs
<N-noooo you can't enjoy something that isn't ideologically aligned with me!!!
The only gaslight here is yours.
You are reactionaries, liberal reactionaries pretending to be better than other libs.
>noticing dictatorship of bourgeoisie leading to petite bourgeois moralism and child abuse
The fuck is this supposed to mean? How is this at all relevant to the argument being made?
>Sorry child
The only people using this online in an anonymous forum are barely of age teens trying to sound smarter and older than they really are.
>Please stop protecting your autism idols from "reactionary" workers
How ass-backwards is your comprehension, to come to this completely opposite understanding of the post? The point is that Harry Potter is NOT reactionary, its vaguely liberal, because it comes from a liberal author in a liberal society, it reflects the material conditions the story is placed in. It also appeals to proletarians of said societies, since they can associate with it, and this reflects it being the largest media fandom in the Western hemisphere for 2 decades.
>(crying soy consumers)
<using memes in text-format
Touch grass you actual autist.
>IT DOESN'T MATTER, YOU'RE AN IDEALIST FOR THINKING I'M A DOMESTICATED RADLIB
Nah, you're an idealist for being a faggot getting mad at literature for not catering to your specific fake-communist LARP taste, because you seek to live it out in a fantasy.
>my artistic literature about a stacked dark elf
Nice projection there Baalbud
>I have a knee jerk reaction to even the slightest hint of revolutionary working class movements
<"I'm so desperate to be a contrarian that I'll back lazy liberal YA novel series, even as I seethe about HP being liberal"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The fucking IRONY
>You scoff at women
HAHAHAHAHA No. I scoff at poorly executed mary sue fics that promote ideologically nonsensical dystopia literature only appeals as "revolutionary" to the privileged teens of First World countries that think that oppression is their parents telling them not to do stupid shit for immature reasons. you are one of those teenagers, further proven by your tossing around of "marxist" like you actually read anything past the Kommunist Manifesto.
Read Капитан Сорви-голова, read Красные дьяволята or Сказка о Военной тайне, о Мальчише-Кибальчише и его твёрдом слове
Those are REAL revolutionary literary works. Some of my favorite books and films are about a female main character, because they actually are well written books, not hackjob dime-a-dozen YA crap.
>ou're a redditor class traitor who consumes fascist reactionary narratives
Nah, I'm just not a hypocritical, virtue-signaling ideologue like you.
>It's logical to write stories about capitalists and not the working class
You don't even understand the meaning of capitalist or proletariat or even basic base-structure relations, a cornerstone of Marxism… You are as ignorant as Ben Shapiro, stop projecting. Also learn grammar, you phone-posting moron.
You outright ignore the material reasoning that, in fact, yes, in a feudal setting the upper class is the ones that are going to get the best education and likely the best arms, training and resources, something that reflects actual class-based societies. That's materially logical and consistent. For fucks sake read The Prince and the Pauper, you ignoramus. Hell a lot of fantasy setting literature involves a country-nobody facing such a harsh setting head on and fighting adversity.

TL;DR: Go back to nitter you confused, projecting liberal.

>>32227
>definitely-not-Han-Solo
Han Solo is a roguish captain, a trope so old that it goes back centuries. Mal Reynolds is not a Han Solo.
>carting around a person with space magic powers
Telepathy, is theoretically possible. It's barely even comparable to the force.

>>32236
>liberals consume media about the bullshit political intrigue of Nancy Pelosi and then read about the bullshit political intrigue of characters in some fantasyland, but with extra racist colonial essentialism. Honestly fuck Game of Thrones and all that bullshit, I read to get away from ruling class political drama!
Take your potions sweetie!

>>32469
>telepathy is theoretically possible
Excuse me?

>>32527
It's not like straight up movie shit, but a similar potential is there. Some of the studies and such go back to the early 20th century. Most of it runs on the transmission of electromagnetic fields, through bio-electricity of the body and neurons (in very basic layman terms).

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105225
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7937662/

>>24582
>>24583
Actually one of the better forms of "black magic" is in the Mistborn series.

The two normal forms of magic, allomancy and feruchemy, both require you to be born with the ability to use them and require something out of the user, like ingesting metal or storing up your own physical attributes, and more often than not there are strong limitations on what a person can do with these forms of magic even when they're born with the ability to use them.

Then there's the black magic of the setting, hemalurgy. With hemalurgy, you can have all the powers of allomancy and feruchemy and using both at once will allow both to reach heights just one or the other could never achieve. Not only that, but anyone can potentially become a hemalurgist, you don't need to be born with it. However, hemalurgy involves driving a spike through the heart of an allomancer or feruchemist to essentially pin their soul to it, and then directly into yourself. The hemalurgic spike will then be implanted in you forever. It won't kill you (in fact, it will give you a sort of seeming immortality so long as your hemalurgic spikes aren't removed), but they will constantly ache. Oh, also it creates a wound in your soul that allows the voice of an evil god to constantly whisper in your ear and manipulate your emotions. And that IF said evil god remains trapped in his prison. If that evil god were to ever escape and you were unwise enough to have put more than one hemalurgic spike in yourself, you become that evil god's meat puppet for the rest of your potentially eternal existence.

>>32536
That's not telepathy, they were linked by machines.

I liked Blindsight a lot. The author gets some things wrong about human evolution, but it still is one of the best first contact stories out there.

SF and fantasy are both fine, you're all just being a bunch of larpers yelling at people for enjoying shit you don't, shut up and stop being a tryhard

t. guy who enjoys both popcorn slop and arthouse

you know when you are a kid reading about the byzantine empire on the encarta and you get to the iconoclasts, and then you find that some religions in the past had opposed many forms of art, and you tell yourself; that's dumb, why would they do this? what's the problem with arts?

I think I'm beginning to understand

>>23219
Star Wars is fantasy scifi.

Why not have both?

>two year old argument about which genre fiction is better
They both suck, and are as a rule extremely juvenile. Fantasy and Sci-Fi have only gotten worse with commodification. What was just an impotent power fantasy for nerds in the 70s is now a cultural juggernaut filling the shelves and theatres with endless liberal knockoffs of Lord of the Rings or Star Wars.

>>42031
>realizes the discussion is dumb
<posts an even dumber pseud take sprinkled with leftoid buzzwords
aight

>>42033
>leftoid
Like clockwork the reactionary reveals himself to defend genre fiction's honor.

>>42037
Literary fiction is boring.

>>42031
Actually, I think most of this thread is dedicated to if Star Wars counts as fantasy or sci-fi.

The absolute state of fantasy as a genre really is an indictment of cultural impoverishment. Fantasy in principle is the most open-ended genre possible. You can have anything from full-on fairy tale magical thinking logic all the way to diamond-hard science-based worldbuilding that's just developed differently from the real world. But even more than science fiction or other quite specific genres, fantasy is stuck beating dead horses.

>>42037
>reactionary
NTA but that's not what reactionary means, retard. You're literally proving their point by using terms that have become buzzwords because ignorant "leftists" use them about anyone or anything they dislike. Either way, this is pure First World mentality about culture.

>>42063
What dead horse do you think Brandon Sanderson is beating?

>>42061
Exactly. When I read scifi at least I can imagine worlds of the possible, immerse myself in something interesting, what does literary fiction have to offer? Some meandering tale about a middle aged guy who cheats on his wife, feels bad about it, breaks up, meets a new younger girl, has some epiphany about how he's worthless and nothing in life matters anyways, breaks up, and continues on being a shitheel, no thanks, I could just listen to MGMT and save myself 8 hours.

>>42066
It's not only beating dead horses, but that's certainly the dominant tendency.