the case of Phineas Gage disproved souls in 1848 Anonymous 2023-05-07 (Sun) 23:54:38 No. 15890
Why do people continue believing in ghosts or souls after Phineas Gage? I see a handful of religious leftists on here who believe in souls, ghosts, and even silly things like an immutable "National Character" inherent to geographic regions. They usually use these things as an excuse for reactionary idealism or outright sadism. The "self" is a function of biology, rather than an eternal and immutable immaterial thing. >Phineas P. Gage (1823–1860) was an American railroad construction foreman remembered for his improbable survival of an accident in which a large iron rod was driven completely through his head, destroying much of his brain's left frontal lobe, and for that injury's reported effects on his personality and behavior over the remaining 12 years of his life—effects sufficiently profound that friends saw him (for a time at least) as "no longer Gage". >Phineas Gage influenced 19th-century discussion about the mind and brain, particularly debate on cerebral localization, and was perhaps the first case to suggest the brain's role in determining personality, and that damage to specific parts of the brain might induce specific mental changes. Absolutely spooked reactionaries to this day continue to believe we have little ghosty ghosts created by God that determine our personality, our disposition, the kinds of choices we make in our life, and that in turn determines which fictional realm our ghosty ghosts get sent to after we die. When, in reality, something out of your control like an illness or traumatic brain injury can fundamentally change who you are and how you act and the kinds of decisions you make. Spooked reactionaries are sadists who want to continue to punish people for how the machinery of their brains work, rather than closely study people to determine a path to changing behavior without torture, imprisonment, capital punishment and other reactionary spookery. They say "actions have consequences" not realizing that the "consequences" of actions are socially constructed or that crime and other taboo behaviors are rarely deterred by the severity of punishments.
Anonymous 2023-05-07 (Sun) 23:58:19 No. 15892
>>15891 and if 33.3% of your brain is damaged in a dynamite accident on a railroad in 1848, does 33.3% of your soul go to heaven? What if you sin and are unrepentant after that? Does the remaining 66.6% of your soul go to hell?
The idea of a soul has no explanatory value/
Anonymous 2023-05-07 (Sun) 23:59:22 No. 15893
>>15890 The body is a vehicle the soul is the pilot. You can't pilot a vehicle with a broken steering wheel.
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 00:00:29 No. 15894
>>15891 Based and Retardpilled
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 00:04:21 No. 15896
>>15893 >The body is a vehicle the soul is the pilot. shinji get in the robot
>You can't pilot a vehicle with a broken steering wheel. what is the soul made of? where does it come from? where does it go?
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 00:13:16 No. 15897
>>15895 Purgatory has anthropological origins in religious history.
New ideas developed around 1200 of a transition period for souls after death during which some could atone for wrongdoing before entering heaven, while others might eventually drop off into Hell. Ideas resembling purgatory predate Christianity, but the specific Christian idea of purgatory dates to between 1100 and 1300, and was elaborated on in fictional works by writers like Dante.
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 00:26:21 No. 15900
>>15896 Where did you come from, where did you go?
Where did you come from, Cotton-Eye Joe?
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 00:28:01 No. 15901
>>15892 That portion of your soul becomes one with the Flying Spaghetti Monster in heaven, Ramen.
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 00:29:52 No. 15902
>>15892 Don't you know Anon, that part of the soul is what gets touched by Cthulhu's Tentacle mouth as the Great Awakening of the Elder God.
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 00:34:11 No. 15903
>>15890 Our culture has not evolved at the same speed as our scientific knowledge.
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 01:15:03 No. 15908
>>15907 >the soul is just a self aware computational feedback loop that is entirely materialist at that point you're just taking a metaphysical concept and turning it into a physical concept. You're redefining a word for something that doesn't exist and providing it with a definition that does exist. It's a rhetorical sleight of hand. Souls in the sense that the term is usually used still do not exist.
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 01:36:14 No. 15909
>>15908 >It's a rhetorical sleight of hand. Souls in the sense that the term is usually used still do not exist. the ordinary usage of the term points to real aspects of subjectivity, but it interprets them to be ideal in nature. flipping ordinary usage on its head reveals that they are material in nature and structure the ideal. the reason i still call it "spirit" is because this material process is unique to the human subject (perhaps being exhibited at a more rudimentary level in other animals), and possess many of the same empirical and practical hallmarks of what has tradition has typically called "spirit" and saddled with much metaphyscial and mystical baggage.
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 02:23:20 No. 15910
>>15890 I don't know if Phineas Gage is the best example. While changes to his personality were reported, it was hear-say rather than anything remotely scientific and the conversation around Gage was greatly exaggerated after his death. Contemporaneous reports about changes in his personality were all relatively mild changes, the claims that he became a completely different person only coming forth after he had died.
>Spooked reactionaries are sadists who want to continue to punish people for how the machinery of their brains workYou're the one who's spooked if you deny that people have a self and a will because that self and that will are formed by the laws of the material universe.
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 02:34:11 No. 15911
Even if your account of Gage is true, that just means that the brain is instrument of which the soul uses to act. A damaged instrument playing off-key music doesn't mean you can make meaningful conclusions on the musician. Not saying that souls exist, but that this account doesn't prove anything beyond the details and insights on the brain.
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 02:38:16 No. 15912
>Dialectical materialism rejects any break between consciousness and matter. For such a break would, in essence, signify a return to the primitive, ignorant views of early human history, when all the phenomena of life were explained as due to a soul that was supposed to enter the body and control it. from the fundamentals of marxism leninism. the idea of the soul is idealist.
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 02:39:32 No. 15913
Neuroscience is gonna kill philosophical dualism, the core & heart of every sort of schizophrenia and woo-woo ever.
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 02:46:23 No. 15914
OP has the right idea but asks too simple a question that's easily deflected with the whole "brain is an antenna" kind of cope. Here are some better ones.
<Where is the soul and what is it doing before it becomes attached to your body? <When does a soul start existing? <What happens to the soul of a body that never forms and gets miscarried/aborted as a zygote/blastocyst/embryo/fetus (before whatever point the soul enters the body)? <Do babies born without brains have souls? What about people who become braindead but are still alive? <Do animals have souls? <When did homo sapiens first acquire souls? <Does Cancer Dog[1] have a soul, and is it distributed among its many examples? <What about the soul of Henrietta Lacks[2]? [1] Cancer Dog
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/contagious-dog-cancer-batteries [2] Henrietta Lacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Lacks Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 02:48:21 No. 15915
>>15912 >the idea of the soul is idealist. tbf if the soul existed it would be a material fact, it would just be part of you that exists outside your body kind of like your reputation does. the problem is not that souls are idealist but that they aren't real.
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 05:28:58 No. 15917
>>15891 Revisionism. The soul is stored in the balls.
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 05:40:02 No. 15918
Thank you OP for obliterating the Freudians and other quack science has disproven ages ago. Metaphysical nonsense has no place in our movement.
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 19:33:31 No. 15919
Drive metal spikes through the skulls of christoid biotrash
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 19:41:52 No. 15920
Actually I would rather completely eliminate all life if it weren't for a belief in the supernatural. You all come off as wealthy white children whose cute little lives just started and everyone kisses your ass even when you act like a shitter.
Anonymous 2023-05-08 (Mon) 20:38:15 No. 15921
>>15919 this, so much this
Anonymous 2023-05-09 (Tue) 00:44:59 No. 15922
>>15920 >Actually I would rather completely eliminate all life if it weren't for a belief in the supernatural skill issue
>You all come off as wealthy white children whose cute little lives just started and everyone kisses your ass even when you act like a shitter. meds
Anonymous 2023-05-09 (Tue) 02:03:02 No. 15923
>>15890 >The "self" is a function of biology so its real?
>>15912 are souls and selfs the same?
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