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 No.1833376

Techno feudalism is increasingly becoming a bigger threat than fascism.

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>>1833376
it's the same picture


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Leftypedia lived - Leftypedia lives - Leftypedia will live!

Greetings, comrades. Leftypedia, the radical encyclopedia, should be back in a usable state. We have more moderators, which will help with spam from now on, and images are slowly being repopulated for your viewing pleasure. The new domain has been up and running for a while at https://wiki.leftypol.org, and we've imported the vast majority of content that was on the old site while adding a lot of new stuff. I hope that Anons can come back and fill in any content that was lost.

For those unaware, Leftypedia is an original /leftypol/ project dedicated to combating the disinformation of mainstream media and academic sources, as well as discussing leftist history, theory, and practice from a multi-sectarian viewpoint. We welcome additions from different leftist perspectives provided that they are properly sourced and well argued. In addition, we maintain a separate space, tentatively titled "Essays", for more subjective or polemic work.

The original thread is here: >>>/edu/3780
You can find Leftypedia at: https://wiki.leftypol.org
Help for new editors: https://wiki.leftypol.org/wiki/Leftypedia:Community_portal
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>>1791631
Yep, should work! OGG, MP3, probably others too. See if it works for ya:
https://wiki.leftypol.org/wiki/Special:Upload
I will add that YouTube embeds are also a newly restored feature that, I'm told, should be easy to use.

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RedParabola is a new user who's been making great contributions to the site's general look, including the front page and the Vector skin itself, as well as finally implementing a Featured Page functionality. We hope to keep customizing the way the site works and looks and are open to feedback. Thanks also to the Devs for their help in making this possible


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 No.805130[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

🗽United States Politics🦅

Absolute State of America Edition

Thread for the hellish discussion related to the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the Earth.

🏈💵💸🍔

State mandated propaganda livestreams:
CNN: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html
MSNBC: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html
FOX: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html
Bloomberg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp8PhLsUcFEegalitarianism
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 No.1835398

>>1835369
In what way?

 No.1835399

>>1835368
Commies now have a once in a lifetime opportunity to make their voices heard and awaken some class conciousness.

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>>1834512
>tiktok banned
Total social media death

 No.1835401

>>1835389
maybe so, it's just really hard for me to believe any of that when virtually everyone around me - family, friends, coworkers - is a frothing zionist-supporter.

 No.1835402

>>1835389
>“Oh shit, if we fight back…
Until the election season is over, then it's back to brunch.


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 No.1793453[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

"we used to have culture" edition

come in, make friends, talk about everything Brazil related - politics, news, the arts… and shitpost, of course.

Previous thread: >>1683261
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 No.1833621

Cadê o anão do fireshot capture? Eu me racho com seus prints do cuitter. Não ligue pros haters, camarada.

>>1833309
O subreddit de pirataria BR parece ser muito bom, eles organizaram esse link aqui:
https://pirataria.digital/main-page

 No.1833787

>>1833420
O Mansur Peixoto do História Islâmica já não havia jantado esse verme templário de teclado?

 No.1834095

>>1833787
Todo ataque a esse estrume é pouco.

 No.1835396

Existe algum partido atualmente maoísta no Brasil?

 No.1835397

>>1835396
duvido muito. chance menos de 1%


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🇵🇸 PREVIOUSLY ON THE HOLY LAND 🇵🇸
>>>/leftypol/1826255


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🚨 Live Happenings/Updates 🚨

• Al-Jazeera: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/3/8/israels-war-on-gaza-live-60000-pregnant-women-face-malnutrition-in-gaza

• Middle East Eye: https://www.middleeasteye.net/israel-palestine-hamas-war-gaza-live-invasion

• The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/palestinian-territories

• Times of Israel: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-march-09-2024/ (trigger warning)

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 No.1835336

>>1835329
"You're only watching"
(He only watches too)

 No.1835339

>>1835313
On the wider world stage? Absolutely
At the UN? There's permanent Us veto i guess

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>>1834907

 No.1835364

>>1834907
>the vivacious anti-zionist stacies vs the barren zionist hag

 No.1835393

>>1835183
Isn't love over hate the ultimate liberal mantra? I'm not clued into the whole american presidential debate.


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 No.695716[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Edizione del tempo dei mostri

Biblioteche online
https://it.z-lib.org/
https://libgen.is

Introduzione al Capitale
https://ia600902.us.archive.org/28/items/pdfy-2ZCqM065WT7tuisv/Marx%27s%20Das%20Kapital%20For%20Beginners%20-%20Michael%20Wayne%2C%20Sungyoon%20Choi.pdf

Riviste
https://www.lordinenuovo.it
https://www.marx21.it
https://contropiano.org

Notizie sulla Cina
https://youtube.com/c/dazibao
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>>1832006
>he screencapped his own post
lol

 No.1832018

>>1832016
damn you're right, that's pretty sad ngl

 No.1832072

>>1832018
Dopo la quarta volta che stavo a scriverlo mi son detto che tanto valeva fare uno screencap

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>>1832050
qui Fanfani ha gasato

 No.1835388

Buon 25 aprile a tutti, in attesa di una nuova liberazione


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 No.1835190[Reply]

It seems like online leftist discourse is overly hostile to military personnel, despite most soldiers coming from rather poor/minority backgrounds why do they always seem to overly fascistic? Is there anyway to recruit them?
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 No.1835330

>>1835324
yes, everyone who opposes the israeli apartheid regime is good in my book
seethe ziocuck

 No.1835342

volunteer armies are full of chvds whereas conscripted armies tend to be a mix. hence why communists should advocate for conscription. then agitate among young people to increase class consciousness in the army
whether this is necessary depends on how willing porky is to use his armies to put down revolution. history tells us the answer is "very"

 No.1835375

>>1835342
Telling young people that their country is a violent imperial power that oppresses the global south, while at the same time arguing for them to be forced into the military perpetrating the oppression (and potentially dying for it), is a very tough sell. Your analysis is correct, but I don't see how this could ever be advocated for, without alienating the youth.

 No.1835376

>>1835190
>military recruiting on bunkerchan of all places
No, they've been informed how bad the military is all their life and they still choose it. They are not allies.
>they're just doing it for the benefits
First off, every role is supporting liberal imperialism in some way. The least harmful could be like a cook and that's still like as if you were handing out sandwiches to the IDF. Second, they have been informed how bad their domestic benefits are and they still choose it.

The idea that you would win over the military purely by appealing to their class is just hilarious It's like socdem shit where you think you can achieve communism by voting democrat enough times.

 No.1835387

>>1835375
it would certainly be better to raise militancy among workers outside the regular army, but porky typically doesn't allow communist freikorps


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This thread is for the discussion of cybersocialism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators
Sorted by last name
>Paul Cockshott
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>>1833698
ive come to the conclusion that i misjudged hegel because there's so much disinformation around hegel and his works are hard to penetrate. at his core, he's just interested in thinking about thinking and is more open to the future than hegelians and pseudomarxists with their teleologies would lead you to believe :/

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>>1834519
i think you kind of misunderstand cockshott, cybercommunism etc. TANS for example wasn't about projecting some society of the future or imagining it out of nothing like Auguste Comte, it was written in the late 80s to the 90s when the USSR was falling. So it was one hand written as a refutation of anti planning anti communist arguments both in their classic form (right-libertarian ECP) and newer arguments by people like Alex Nove.

On the other hand it was actual a policy prescription for the USSR that would have been meant to literally be implemented to save the USSR economy from descending back into capitalism. However by the time it got published the USSR had already fallen. So it wasn't a hypothetical but rather an actual policy paper for what was at that time a contemporarily existing polity.

I don't think most cybercommunists think that its inevitable rather its just a series of good arguments against right wing libertarians who claim socialism is impossible. Cockshott's strength is in these arguments not as an analyst and I wouldn't take his sparse ideas on praxis very useful either.

The Markov process shit is just him trying to find an alternative to modeling change over time to hegelian dialectics as he regards it as unrigerous and pseudo-rational. This is a holdover both from his own background as a natural scientist in an english speaking country and the background positivism that comes with that training as well as the fact that he's heavily influenced by Althusser who is sort of the poster child of marxist anti-hegelianism.

 No.1835365

>>1835122
Right but this is my problem, trying to 'fix the USSR' is a stupid endeavour because in historical hindsight it was obviously doomed. Cockshottians, like other marxists who are stuck in the past, are only interested in eternally critiquing 'what went wrong with the soviet union' instead of looking at the conditions of today's society. In this way the 'multipolarists' are at least a bit more respectable than Cockshott.

The Markov process shit (modelling change) is fine as a scientific endeavour, but it isn't a valid alternative to a science of logic (dialectics is just one part). There's nothing really reflexive about the logical rules there which is the important thing about Hegel's method. I think Marx's use of dialectics is probably unrigorous, but to dismiss Hegel is to dismiss a Science of Logic itself.

In fact even to say 'Hegel is unrigorous and pseudo-rational' is already thinking thinking about itself and is already to engage in dialectics.

 No.1835378

>>1835365
>Cockshottians, like other marxists who are stuck in the past, are only interested in eternally critiquing 'what went wrong with the soviet union' instead of looking at the conditions of today's society.
Would you say the same of marx critiquing the paris commune? I mean that was obviously doomed as well. Why not learn from mistakes of past attempts? Besides, as >>1835122 pointed out, the point of Cockshott's writings aren't so much to provide a new strategy for overthrowing capitalism, but to refute anticommunist bullshit - something which is necessary as anti-communist rhetoric creates a barrier to communist organisation.

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>>1835365
>Right but this is my problem, trying to 'fix the USSR' is a stupid endeavour because in historical hindsight it was obviously doomed. Cockshottians, like other marxists who are stuck in the past, are only interested in eternally critiquing 'what went wrong with the soviet union' instead of looking at the conditions of today's society.

Yes but in the neoliberal era of 1991-2016ish a Cockshott like figure was absolutely needed to refute end of history neoliberal and other right winged american libertarian bullshit.

Basically the left had no answer to the calculation problem and that actually made Cockshott's work MORE important because while the USSR existed, people didn't really take that sort of shit seriously, because how can you claim socialism is impossible while there's still this supposedly socialist USSR/eastern block which is also a huge threat to the west.

But after the fall of the USSR american rightoids started doing victory laps and claiming this proved Mises/Hayek were right and along and no one should ever try socialism ever again. You even had supposed socialists and members of the left/labor parties not only advocating market socialism rather than planning but even starting to argue against social democracy.


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 No.941093[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together with the Leftypol Twitter account:
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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
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<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin
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>>1835344
The left has an intrinsically different role in our current society, to educate. Rightoids can supposedly meme and destroy arguments by just misrepresenting the shit out of all dissenting ideas because their only purpose is to support the current thing by handwaving away any analysis or movements that don't support the current thing. So the right can get away with NO U but the left can't.

 No.1835370

>>1835345
>hanging around talking in a funny accent about nothing in particular, and occassionally one of them commits an act of sheer violence
While there's a critique of the mafia when they are always talking about loyalty and family but constantly betraying and killing each other, it's main focus is being a drama dark comedy.
Chris's intervention scene is one of the funniest things I've seen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40HPFGvZ4ro

But on the whole Goodfellas and Casino are better Americana as it gets across the same points in shorter time.

 No.1835372

>>1835345
>>1835370
The show is so subtle at owning rightoids they don't even realize it.

 No.1835374

>>1835370
>>1835345
I always took it as a depiction of the mob in it's twilight years, they're always making references to successful mafiosos of the 20th century while moving into the 21st the police are getting too good at catching people and making them flip, drugs are the most prominent criminal enterprise which causes schisms in families over it's sale and use, the cultural zeitgeist doesn't uphold the strong and silent type as the ideal anymore so everyone is in therapy and overall it all adds up to less pride in that thing of theirs because none of them what their kids getting involved.

 No.1835384

>>1834271
>People watching vids about media instead of watching/playing it, is a really sad phenomenon.
Social media makes being a "poseur" socially rewarding ?


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 No.1832439[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

marx's metaphysics have always struck me as fairly contrived. he's extremely adamant that he's not an idealist, that he's reaching towards the 'truth' of what matter is like, and yet he seems to ignore totally that his interpretation of dialectical materialism is a transcendental model and therefore a cognitive rendition of material. AKA he has to use idealism to represent his view of materialism. I don't really think this is evidence that his views on economics are wrong, but why doesn't he simply say he's 'applying dialectics to the forces of production' instead of pretending to have unmediated knowledge of material reality? materialism indeed seems to be just a crude form of idealism and history is really seeking the truth and freedom of self-consciousness
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>>1834634
The screenshots explains exactly that, but ig you didn't read them. Logic is the discipline that thinks about its own operations. I don't really care about some analytic vs conty discourse, it's irrelevant. The important thing is whether we're thinking about thinking.

Science takes certain forms of logic for granted and then applies them to pre-conceived notions in order to explore those ontologies in greater depth.

But philosophy is thinking discovering the very forms of thinking itself.

 No.1835356

>>1834630
It's a way to get out of the problem of induction, reliance on contingent 'thats just the way the mind works / experience works' a la the empiricists, which simply turns philosophy into another form of science and instead seeks to grapple with how the structure of thinking works– and not just 'how it does work' empirically but how it *might* work, the very rules from which it operates, and reflexively.

 No.1835359

>>1835259
>>1835261
I'm hopping into this irrelevant discussion bc I'm a nerd.

This entirely depends on your concept of change So in Intuitionistic Logic, where there is no law of the excluded middle, you still have change, you just can't posit a rule being false and then change your mind on it based by proofs that that leads to a contradiction in your rules. But you can still find contradictions in your rules when you affirm something to be true. And you can still have fluid logical rules by seeing what you can prove as true with different rules by making certain assumptions of rules as true. They have made intuitionistic versions of Prolog for example and you still can have backtracking. Proof by Contradiction is not all that vital to logic and some mathematicians don't agree with the law of excluded middle.

Also worth noting that in intuitionistic logic, not not P is not the same as P. That is, the negation of negation is not simply the original proposition, and proving the negation of a negation does not prove the original proposition.

 No.1835360

>>1835228
Ahh, but u see, u have yet to deduce the concept of space from Being, so this diagram does not hold. Classic Spinozist error!

 No.1835383

>>1835352
>You've just described Hegel
not really, although Bataille doesn't 100% reject Hegel either. that would sort of be a longer post though I think his philosophy wouldn't really be compatible with systemic/hegelian philosophy as its too concerned with transgression and unconstrained possibility to be compatible with Hegel's system and its notions of logical completeness.


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